cross-posted from: https://piefed.zip/c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world/p/1899107/of-course
We love you, Libre Office devs!
The clone is perfect though, vibe coded or not: as it doesn't work it's obviously a 1:1 copy that's just accurately mimicking the original...
Man that sentence was hard for me to parse -- browsing threadiverse too early in the tye morning
It's the difference between knowing how to market and knowing how to actually build shit.
Turns out, in our modern society, the former is a far more valuable skill than the latter.
Just bullshit your way until you get enough money and resources to actually hire people who know what they're doing and can build the thing.
It sucks
One guy I used to work with (long before LLMs) built a website for his company and listed a bunch of software there for sale. Except he hadn't built any software product yet. Once someone contacted him about buying one of the products, then he would build it.
until you get enough money and resources to actually hire people who know what they're doing and can build the thing.
Has this ever happened? I though the way to go was enshittification of an already inferior product
Blitzscaling. The enshittification comes once the userbase is stable and the company can't keep bullshitting investors about possible future gains so they have to start cutting.
LibreOffice has the ability to use regex in search&replace, MS Office does not. So why should i use a copy of the inferior product?
99% of people using office products daily will die not knowing how to formulate a regular expression.
99% of people using office products daily will die
True.
Regex save lives
True, although the corollary:
Some people, when confronted with a problem, think 'I know, I'll use regular expressions.' Now they have two problems.
Because corporate policies mandate it?
I'm 100% all in on Libre Office. I'll use Libre Office until it dies or I die
i don't even know how anybody would trust their documents to such a project
Eh let them be the alpha testers.... Maybe in 5 years and a bajillion tokens it will be a real office suite
and then you'll trust your information and your projects to the companies that are known for stealing everything they can get their hands on?
Nothing vibe coded is worth a shit.
LibreOffice is an awesome piece of kit! On setup, they let you select the "tabbed" UI if you prefer something closer to MS office.
Collabora Office is another one that seems neat, have not used it before though. OnlyOffice has weird Russian ties and GPL incompatible licensing shenanigans, I would avoid them for the most part. WPS Office has the best compatibility with MS Office files on Linux I think, but it's closed-source so not great either. There's always running a VM / dual booting if you must use MS Office.
Honestly, MS office files have worked fine on LibreOffice, the only big issue I've found is that translucent images are a little broken when going from Impress to PowerPoint (all images share the same opacity for some reason?)
In my experience, MS Office files tend to have fewer compatibility problems on LibreOffice than on MS Office after the next update.
It's never that MS Office files don't work on LibreOffice (formatting is a little different but almost never broken), it's always files exported from LibreOffice that MS Office misreads (because Microsoft ~~can't be bothered to follow standards~~ are anti-competitive)
Can't be bothered makes them sound lazy. It's a deliberate method of squashing all competitors. If you can't send a document to someone else who usrs MS Office and have it appear the same, then you're going to need to use MS Office. Libre has been calling them out on this for years.
Oops yeah that is a good point! Amended the comment.
The three you mentioned in the second paragraph are slop fests now.
I haven't used any of them in ages, I know Collabora is focused on their online suite. Looking at OnlyOffice's website, they are positioning themselves as an "AI-first" office suite (the LLM tools have been changed to be optional and installed separately since a recent update, but still a bad look)
And WPS Office was always owned by a Chinese company and continues to be closed-source, so no changes there. Again, the same sort of "AI-first" stuff on their homepage, yikes
On setup, they let you select the "tabbed" UI
On setup it asks you to select one of four UIs, some of them are missing features. Once I spent almost an hour trying to solve a problem, but it turned out it was unsolvable in my UI. I changed the UI and found a solution in a moment.
Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that OpenOffice exists, but their UI needs a lot of work
LibreOffice, not OpenOffice. I believe LibreOffice was forked from OpenOffice, and the latter hasn't had any updates in ages.
I imagine that the UI you selected was the one of the "compact" or "single toolbar" options? It is a little confusing that some of the one functions disappear with those, it would be helpful if it was listed which ones were missing
A friend just sent me a video of someone explaining that this vibe coded PhotoShop version exists and it should be 1:1 on par or something. I dont know if that even makes sense, just manually checking and testing every single feature will take more then the time they claim they have spent on it lol
I want human creations forever and always!
Does the new one look better or something? Or is it just the fact that it's AI-written that's getting people excited?
Apparently it looks identical to MS Office, so it isn't "better" than MS Office or LibreOffice in a functional sense (arguably less so since it's probably very buggy code)
I wouldn't say it's people (normal people would be using MS Office or LibreOffice most likely) excited that it's LLM generated, though some AI Bros probably are, I imagine some outlets are promoting this to sell whatever the new model is these days. And when there is a lot of news around a topic, it's covered by more and more people (something about all press is good press here)
The latter
I always think of doing codng by hands but then I am so slow compared to others that it becomes not worth it. What to do about this?
Yes i code very slowly if I do it by myself.
As to not be fired. I've been forced to use AI at work, I'm "slower" than the rest of my coworkers even with AI, but I also don't spend half my week fixing bugs for code that I didn't read from the week before.
I'll usually pick a project and tell the robot to figure it out, give it all the context it needs so it's not asking every 5 minutes for access to my whole disk, and let it run. While it's doing that I'll hand code and actually do the work. I'm convinced it's the fact that I still code that I'm able to read and understand what slop need to be ripped out of the robots output.
I might do 2-3 tickets a day while others are doing 5-6, but I also didn't introduce a bug that cost our clients $1,000/day for 2 weeks straight and then didn't know how to fix it so it continued costing them that for 3 extra days while struggling to read code that I didn't write.
tldr: code by hand while the robots running it's task. Don't lose the skill just because you're not as fast.
Plenty of IDEs have non-LLM predictive text. Common code patterns pop up as a suggestion, and continue to refine as you type.
It’s not the same level of “write a comment and we will spit out something that might work” but it’s more than a few steps above notepad.
Honestly, having a good LSP that provides context for its suggestions was a huge help for learning how to program in a couple languages. Made sure I actually understood what each part of my code was doing and how pieces fit together. If I'd had claude or copilot, I genuinely don't think I'd have learned.
This does help and has been around for awhile but I'm still slow af even after working as a dev for 3 years.
I really enjoying coding by hand and figuring out the challenges and architecture of each function. Not to mention the immense feeling of gratification when you spend six hours to find that missing semicolon, comma, or curly brace then it all works. Refactoring massive obscure code into something readable with immediately clear logic, or changing data structures and getting something insane like 100x performance on your biggest bottleneck; all of it feels so good.
However, it seems like this is going to relegated to a hobby in the near future. LLMs are largely better and faster than me plus most, if not all, of my colleagues. I dont like it, but spending the past year working primarily with agentic LLMs i can't really deny it. It wasn't this good until relatively recently.
I always think of doing codng by hands but then I am so slow compared to others
easy newbie mistake to make. you should try using your fingers instead.
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The only reason we want a clone of ma office is because it's the standard, not because it's good...
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