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[-] AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 hours ago

Violent revolution is the only solution.

[-] Sunflier@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

How about the US finally implement universal health-insurance?

[-] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago

It goes to show just how far down the fucking rabbit hole we are, that even sarcastic remarks like yours talk about "insurance" instead of "care."

[-] Sunflier@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

My remark wasn't sarcastic.

Ultimately, the thing that is needed, the thing that inhibits care, and the thing the government ought to provide is insurance. A single payer system is ultimately insurance. That is ultimately what every other developed nation has.

People can't afford care when insurance denies the claim. Insurance is a publicly traded industry. Publicly traded companies are duty bound to maximize profit and minimize costs. The easiest way to do that is to deny claims.

If you think of it, the thing people are asking for is for the government to step in an pay the bill. They're not asking for the government to provide the actual care. That could actually politicize care. Cancer? Congress won't allow for doctors to treat beyond stage 2. Have a drug problem? That's jail, not treatment. Transgender? Get fucked. With universal insurance, pick your doctor and the government pays the claim. Doctor patient privilege would still exist with universal insurance.

Medical care is the one area you can rack up a bill with no ability to say no, and doctors are ethically bound to provide the care anyway. In a comma? You can't contract for medical care like you can with buying a car. You can rack up a ton of medical debt without even being awake to realize it.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

My remark wasn’t sarcastic.

Yeah, sorry, that wasn't the right word. Maybe "cynical?"

If you think of it, the thing people are asking for is for the government to step in an pay the bill. They’re not asking for the government to provide the actual care.

I could be wrong, but I'm under the impression that care actually is provided by the government directly in a bunch of countries, and that those systems work just fine (or at least much better than our system does here in the US). Why does there even need to be a bill (in the sense of keeping track of costs on a per-patient basis) to begin with?

Your assertion that government-provided care isn't even an option on the table is true, but that only goes to prove my point about us being terminally capitalism-pilled.

[-] Sunflier@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I could be wrong, but I’m under the impression that care actually is provided by the government directly in a bunch of countries, and that those systems work just fine (or at least much better than our system does here in the US).

Yes, but making "what care for which patient" fall under the government's determination in the US's system of government is a bad idea. Maybe if there was a slowing of the changeover after elections, but the US's political situation is too bipolar to implement that level of government control of care (see my examples from above).

Why does there even need to be a bill (in the sense of keeping track of costs on a per-patient basis) to begin with?

Because doctors need to pay their student loans? Because IV fluids need to be clean and put in bags? Because no single patient's care is standardizable? Maybe theres guidelines and standards of care, but biology is too messy for cookie-cutter care.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 20 minutes ago* (last edited 18 minutes ago)

Why does there even need to be a bill (in the sense of keeping track of costs on a per-patient basis) to begin with?

Because doctors need to pay their student loans? Because IV fluids need to be clean and put in bags? Because no single patient's care is standardizable? Maybe theres guidelines and standards of care, but biology is too messy for cookie-cutter care.

Paying the doctor a salary doesn't require itemizing the costs by patient. All the government really needs to know is the total aggregate demand in order to employ the correct number of doctors, not which patient required what care.

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I'd love to if we can manage to keep the Red Hands off/out of it. I just know they'll either grift off it or gut it or both.

[-] Sunflier@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

So, better to have people die in bankruptcy as they are now because we can't ensure some people won't fuddy-duddy?

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

Oh no it's terrible now. I am for universal healthcare, or at the very least Medicare for all. I'm just very depressed about the way the Wrong Wing ruins everything all the time, decade after decade.

[-] Sunflier@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Medicare for all isn't universal health care?

[-] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 33 points 7 hours ago

"I took 7 courses in Marx and ive ignored them completely until they just punched me in the face"

[-] cmbabul@slrpnk.net 18 points 7 hours ago

How… how does the inverse Cramer apply here?

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago

Marx failed to consider that one day Jim Cramer would agree with him.

[-] MakingWork@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 hours ago

Rich people are making money. In reverse that means they are not making lots of money.

So puts on rich people, calls on everybody else.

This means less rich people. More everybody else.

Which means rich became richer, taking from everybody else. As Cramer said, rich people are making lots of money; everybody else is struggling.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 6 hours ago

I choose to be optimistic. He sounds like Marx, and the end of capitalism is near

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