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I really hope one day people will look back at those practices the same way we look back at the normality of cigarettes being pushed on everyone back in the 50's.
what about no. too many people are smoking today.
i mean, why wouldnt they?
life sucks, society sucks, world sucks, who wouldnt want to check out faster.
the same sucky life is even worse with heart disease, not that I don't sympathise with the desire to get out but that's a really dumb way to do it
One of my favourite people used to say "you gotta die from something" whenever the topic of his smoking would come up. Then he got a stroke that didn't kill him.
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Find me in my living room, reading aloud SQL injection attacks and AI jailbreak promps like the newsreader from Rome
Little Bobby DropTables has entered the chat.
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If these tvs are capturing private conversations for advertising, where’s the consent for that?
EULA has T&C that the first users agree to when they fast forward with the accept accept accept accept screens
Doesn't matter if you technically consent, that shit is still illegal (at least in the EU)
Illegal only applies when the law is an enforced deterrence. If the fine is low enough, it's the price of doing business. If it's hard to sue or there's no enforcement, the law may as well not exist. Unfortunately, with these large companies it's been both: low fines and long lawsuits, so by the time they pay a fine, they have earned 100x the fine in a month or so
Legality is pointless when the laws are not enforced.
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Those things aren't legally valid for consumer electronics or software in many countries (possibly most of the World) because they're considered an attempt at forcing a change in the terms of the sale after the sale.
They would be totally valid if they're presented to the buyer for confirming acceptance during the purchase BEFORE they pay which, "curiously", they never are.
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They don't need consent, none do us can afford to sue them.
Isn't that what class action law suits are for?
Or better yet, consumer protection laws?
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It's all in the EULA no one can opt out of, and no one reads, and they can change at any time.
You can blame companies who make hardware, but the laws on privacy are terrible.
Samsung is the second Electronics maker I've started boycotted, after Sony.
Sony was all the way back since the Rootkit scandal, Samsung was about a decade ago when a small tablet I bough from them have filled with unremovable applications and after a few updates became pretty much unusable because it's didn't have enough memory (clearly planned obscolecence).
Patting myself on back (and a little gloating) aside, Samsung has been clearly abusive towards their customers for a while (it was maybe the second electronics make to enshittify, after Sony) and this is not at all surprising.
People should have been imprisoned over the Sony rootkit scandal.
For those who don't know - their music CDs had malware built in that automatically installed itself on PCs without prompting or notification that gave unsecured root access to any PC through a hidden service that couldn't be detected or disabled from within Windows. It was as bad as bad gets. There was no hidden EULA or anything. They just straight-up installed viruses on millions of PCs that opened the door for other malware to install itself at the root level where it couldn't be detected.
Sony should have been shut down entirely over it.
Wow. Yeah, fuck Sony. Seems they've always been in a race to the bottom. Now their insistance on a digital-only future makes so much more sense. They want to control any and all access to their products and don't want them changing hands IRL.
It's even a little worst than parent post makes it seem, it's worth a read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
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Look AI code gets a ton of hate. And rightfully so. But you can use a coding agent to basically completely take control of hardware you own. It takes minutes.
Could you go into more detail for those of us who don't want to brick their tv? I think you're over estimating some of our knowledge base.
Was watching gamers nexus. Opened up codex. Gave it network permissions. It was able to fully take control of the TV in minutes. It even navigated to the admin panel and gave me the code to plug in. Very quickly had figured out some of the major API's. In a half hour, I was able to get a container/ program set up to just "send" any stream I wanted to the TV without having to use any Samsung services. Then, scramble/ poison telemetry data/ advertising data. Whatever you like. None of it is worth publishing. But I wanted to control the TV I bought. The one I own. In my house. That I paid for. And I think its royally fucked up the world we live in that there are any barriers to that.
Just don't use OpenAI or Anthropic cloud models for reverse engineering your TV's APIs. This guy got banned from OpenAI for doing this research on his Samsung TV, and there are reports of Anthropic models starting to refuse reverse engineering tasks, having been given new guidance. Apparently proles learning about the corporate surveillance they're under is a step too far.
Hence the point about not fucking advertising it.
I assume all your interactions with AI are being analyzed continuously and they will keep getting more restrictive about what you can use it for.
They are saying that if you are using a cloud model, you are advertising it by default.
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There’s a repo with ready-made APKs for many TV models: https://github.com/Gathin23/cleanyourtv
And if your specific one isn’t supported, it has instructions how to do it with AI yourself
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Examples/HOWTO?
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True, but it may also allow malevolent people to take control of hardware they do not own.
Well the malevolent people I'm concerned about are the ones who sold me a TV I can't control and who stole the Internet to make you rent our collective knowledge we built together.
I just want a dumb TV at this point or an open source one that has great user control.
Westinghouse and Magnavox TV brands both exist with dumb TV options, Max 32" though
The Westinghouse is unfortunately on Amazon, but I found the Magnavox at Canadian Tire for $200
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Imagine believing that they need "AI" to record us.
These TVs don't incorporate enough power to do any kind of serious LLM. The "AI" they're referring to here is likely an embedded speech-to-text engine. And that probably is pretty necessary for this--it would take too much data to send actual recordings to Samsung, but text transcripts are tiny and easier to search and index. It's easy to forget, but reliable speech-to-text has been around less than 20 years, and the tiny ones that can run on embedded chips are even newer.
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They're using a classifier to capture metadata (like “does a dog live there?” or “does a baby live there”) by categorizing sounds. That's all technically legal, that's why they do it that way.
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Drink verification can!
I don’t want a smart TV… my TV should just be a display.
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I'm happy with my $200 non-wifiable Insignia and hope it lasts a long time.
Y’all think my 2017 is okay? 😬
It may not use ai but I'd be shocked if it wasn't still collecting
It’s never been allowed internet access. I suppose it could be looking for open networks 😳
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Google has been doing this for years, by the way
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