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I understand sometimes people lie to avoid hurting someone, but a lot of the time it seems unnecessary. When something really important happens and honesty matters, people still choose to lie instead of just telling the truth.

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[-] Bougie_Birdie@piefed.blahaj.zone 55 points 13 hours ago

Very often it's conflict avoidance

Like if your parent / teacher / boss goes ballistic because you fucked up, you're not likely to tell them you fucked up again. If this pattern starts when you're younger especially it tends to ripple out through the rest of your life

This can be frustrating because it appears irrational. Then again, so is life

[-] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

That's me. I absolutely fear being judged and getting involved in any conflict thanks to my childhood, and this sometimes - especially if i have to answer quickly and don't have time to reflect - makes me lie before i really even think about it. Lying at home about pretty much everything was the only way i was able to have a semi-normal life in my teenage years, and it becomes a second nature if you have to do it on the regular.

Nowadays i try to take my time, to give myself the breathing room and space i need to feel safe enough to be honest. Wouldn't work without years of therapy. But if someone pressures me out of the blue, what they hear first will probably not be the truth. In these cases, i tend to still tell people the truth in the same convo if the talk goes long enough and i don't feel too threatened anymore - someone who talks calmly will get the truth as a revision, while aggressive people will never hear it.

[-] ctrlzee@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago

Totally agree with the conflict-avoidance answer. A small reframing: making mistakes is perfectly normal. A lie is usually an attempt to skip owning one.

What makes you a mature person is:

  • Acknowledge it to yourself: nobody is perfect.
  • Plan the recovery: there’s a fix for everything but death. An honest apology is often most of it.
  • Own the fix: you dropped the bricks, so you pick them up. Don’t wait for someone else to do it.
  • Learn from it: making a mistake is fine, repeating it isn’t.

A lie turns one mistake into two, and the second one is harder to undo.

[-] lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 hours ago

I said to a psychologist one time "it seems to me people tacitly accept other peoples lies because it validates their own", although that doesnt explain why people lie in the first place. The psych agreed.

Back in the day, I had an aquaintance with a guy who was a thief. One day I asked him why and he declared "because Im smarter than they are!". He was refering to the store clerks. It wasnt even about sticking to the man, it was a simple real-time mania of ego, outwit the clerks. High narcissism. He ended up in the business of custom theivery but I dont think that worked out very well.

[-] volvoxvsmarla@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 hours ago

Outwitting is such a wicked motivation. I had that with drinking and I was fucking good at it. I made it a challenge to consume as much alcohol as I can without people noticing and they really didn't notice. I was drunk at AA meetings more often than not. I took driving lessons drunk, was drunk in university and at jobs, around friends and family - people never noticed, even when I had a 3.5 promille blood alcohol level. Guess you can guess that all of this didn't end well and I had to stop drinking eventually. Still, only people I told know how bad it had actually been. I hadn't been sober in years.

[-] Gjieoh@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 hours ago

In my perhaps unorthodox view it is a projected fear-based-tauma potentially from past lives, that seeps into the present when we are not aware of the returning fear, that can speak on behalf of us or have temporary access to our vehicle. We have more than one body in which illness can attach more subtly if allowed.

We all start life here afflicted, one way or another. It is consistent focus on conscientiousness that bestows conscious awareness of the bundle of afflictions in their complexity that allows a stoic harmony, in body and soul to be as we are now and forever more no matter what.

TL; DR

Attacks of fear can have a person abandon themselves, which feeds the fear to be intelligent enough to see a next opportunity another time.

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 6 hours ago

So I have had this obsession with truth my whole life. Ultimately big truth but down to truth in general. I feel truth and falsehood are antithecal in more than just the obvious way. Its kinda like kastanzas line from seinfeld about it not being a lie if you believe it. You see it with trump. In order to lie you have to in some ways believe it yourself. The more you lie. The better you lie. The more you have to convince yourself its really true in some way. I personally believe this in all things. If you kill, regardless of reason, you are going to be a killer. Maybe not as much of a killer as someone who premediates on a complete innocent but repetition is going to pile on. Same with stealing and such. Im digressing here a bit but essentially for some people lying becomes so much a part of who they are that they do it for the smallest of reasons some of which only makes sense in their head. Its kinda funny because honest people (like ones obssessed with truth) will get a lotta flak for not just telling a white lie.

[-] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 hours ago

There's lots of reasons. Avoiding conflict, avoiding accountability, fear of retribution, self-delusion, acts of retribution or sociopathically WANTING to hurt people, apathy, social acceptance, the fact that people don't care what the truth is as long as they don't have to do anything they're happy. Greed, gluttony, lust, indifference, envy, pride, wrath... trying to pin down precise motivations is complicated.

[-] remon@ani.social 23 points 14 hours ago

Because it can give you an advantage.

[-] judgy_jackdaw@lemmy.world 11 points 13 hours ago

yeah i don't get what's so hard to comprehend for OP. people lie because they think it will lead to more desirable outcomes for them, that's it

[-] AskewLord@piefed.social 6 points 12 hours ago

especially when it's an immediate outcome vs a long term outcome.

even if long term it bites them in the ass, short term is more pressing for most people most of the time.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 12 hours ago

Or because they're lazy, or scared, or...

[-] remon@ani.social 7 points 12 hours ago

If you're lazy and lie to get out of doing something or if you're scared and lie to get out of the scary situation ... that's an advantage!

[-] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 12 hours ago

Ha ha fair enough!

[-] WongKaKui@piefed.ca 15 points 13 hours ago

Story time:

I once messed with the sim lock thing and accidentally lock it ( mean y'all know the sim pin lock and pul lock thing?), and my mom didnt notice it yet, and I felt scared, but at the same time was thinking "maybe if I just come clean and apologize, everything would be fine!", you know, how tv portrays western parents.

Oh well big mistake, I forgot I was Asian. So I told my mom and she instantly ~~transformed into a tiger and devoured me (figuratively)~~ yelled at me and said a bunch of thing like 無鬼用 (useless) 搞破壞 (troublemaker?) and the 食嘢唔做嘢做嘢打爛嘢 (all you do is eat and contribute nothing and when you do try to do something you break everything). Oh keep in mind I was like no older than 11 at the time. 😭

I actually cried like a baby. So yeah, I thinkg that's pretty much the turning point where I learned a thing about the adult world.

I should've just never mentioned a thing and just blamed it on "technical issues" when she eventually tries to make a call.

[-] False@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago

A very childish reaction from her

[-] 1984@lemmy.today 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

This would not have been a big deal with western parents. Could even have been a bonding moment with a good dad to figure out how to fix it.

But yes, parents fuck us up. I also have memories of similar things, like when I was unplugging the xmas tree of a neighbor as a prank, and my dad got super angry and hit me in the back of the head so I fell down a ditch.

Some parents are just horrible parents.

[-] speculate7383@lemmy.today 2 points 6 hours ago

You're lucky to have experienced a positive subset of Western parents.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago

So many great answers, and they are all different yet accurate!

Another contradiction I've found (and is reflected in a lot of the answers) is that everyone SAYS that they want people to tell them the truth, but when we actually do tell them the truth, they turn into a tiger and devour us, or a similar negative reaction. We request the truth, but at the same time, we psychologically train everyone around us to lie to us.

[-] AskewLord@piefed.social 5 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

the problem is we want other people to tell us the lies we tell ourselves. and when we don't get that, we get very upset because it hurts our self-worth or self-image.

also the lies we tell are much more simple than the truth. a lie is 'you always look pretty'. the truth is much more complex, and we generally dislike complexity.

also a lot of value judgements are entirely relative/subjective and human beings are terrible at being objective and generally find objective measurements emotionally unappealing compared to the subjective approve or rejection of our peers.

like objective I know where I stand economically, but subjectively, to other people, I can either very wealthy, or very poor, because those value judgements are primarily formed from their frame of personal reference, not national statistics.

[-] Fallibilist@feddit.uk 9 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I'd go as far as to claim that lying is virtually always unnecessary. People are quick to come up with examples where they think it's the right thing to do, yet when you ask these people when they themselves would rather hear lies than the truth I usually get nothing.

Lying to "not hurt someone" implies that you consider yourself a better judge of this person's ability to manage their emotions. That's not how you treat an adult, especially one you pretend to respect and care about.

However, not lying isn't synonymous with radical honesty either. No need to tell everything that's on your mind - just don't say something you know to not be true. If grandma's cooking isn't to your liking you probably don't need to insult her for it if she asks. I'm sure you can come up with something more diplomatic. If rudeness and insults are the "truth" then than perhaps reflects more on you than on them.

[-] DioramaOfShit@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Lieing is easy. Telling the truth is hard. People in general suck.

[-] rowansprig@leminal.space 1 points 2 hours ago

Most the people I have met have been pretty decent! In what ways have you found them to suck?

[-] basiclemmon98@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 14 hours ago

Honestly, most of the time the people who are lying beleive there is a slim chance they can safely navigate the situation with minimal harm to themselves and/or others even without divulging the truth. Which is actually accurate a lot of the time, in theory at least.

That said, most people do not actually have the intelligence to finesse a situation effectively when in the constraints of their lies. Most lies are sloppy or imperfect and most liers are not intelligent enough to handle the strategic part of lying.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago

In some cases, some might have a hard time accepting the truth, so they manufacture a lie because they want to believe the lie.

[-] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

See: dictators, other abusive figures, and people who in general are very rigid in convictions

[-] AskewLord@piefed.social 2 points 12 hours ago

I miss her, but not her lies.

[-] leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl 2 points 10 hours ago

some people are really creative~ and are born story tellers. gotta make use of that skill~

[-] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago

Because I didn't want to work today on (U.S.) Veteran's Day.

[-] morgan_423@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Ah, November Flu. Common among those who have sick days that don't roll over or get paid out.

[-] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

It's more humorous since I was out on illness disability from May 4 - Nov 2.

[-] one_old_coder@piefed.social 5 points 14 hours ago

Human psychology.

[-] Redacted@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 hours ago

Some people lie because its fun

[-] AskewLord@piefed.social 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

because it's easier

and telling the truth generally makes people hate you and think you're an asshole, because the expectation is you should lie to make people feel good as much as you possibly can. and rarely does telling the truth feel good for anyone.

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