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I am ethically and morally opposed to gen AI as a concept. As far as the breaking point, let me explain. I've been a machinist for ~18 years. It's been really bad for the last 9 years and I've more or less had to live off of savings from the good years (those savings are basically gone).

I've just recently gotten legitimate job offers for ~$125 an hour remote because I own a CNC. The catch is that I have to record all of the CAM programming and machine time in order to train an AI to replace potentially hundreds of thousands of jobs.

This fucking sucks. I'd love to sit on my ass forever at 43, but I absolutely fucking hate the potential that I could bring that would crush the working class and elevate the owning class.

I wish it wasn't this hard, because I really do believe in socialism and have labored hard for a long time to make it happen - but there's a chance I can put everything I have into true anarchism cause and make a legitimate difference.

Please help.

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[-] happydoors@lemmy.world 1 points 10 minutes ago

If you have already taken the job or must do it, do me a favor and spin the mouse and tab around unusually while doing your task. Just subtle malicious compliance is probably enough to fuck up the training (?)

[-] wolfpack86@lemmy.world 14 points 7 hours ago

The irony is that CNC did this to the guys who manually worked milling machines and turned lathes.

[-] cobalt32@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 6 hours ago

Do it, and then after you get paid, release all the programming and machine time recordings online into the public domain. Then at the very least, it might be used to train an open-source AI model that anyone can use. Or better yet, collaborate with the folks working on the FreeCAD CAM workbench and get the ball rolling yourself if you think this sort of AI CAM thing is feasible.

[-] Avicenna@programming.dev 6 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

People will tell you don't do it but you can't completely isolate yourself from contributing to damages of aggressive capitalism unless you live in a cave. You buy detergent? Some of that money likely goes to a shareholder who also has AI stocks or invests money in military technologies that are sold to Israel for genocide. Anyone who says don't do it haven't really thought this through. Many people here likely curse Jeff Bezos but use amazon for the convenience of it or curse google and use google maps etc. Yours is atleast a genuine survival issue. If you can keep doing this for a year with some subtle level of malicious compliance you might feel better about it. Just make sure they will hold their end of the bargain.

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 points 23 minutes ago

It is like the anti car people. That is great if you live in a dense city with public transportation but the majority of the people are looking at struggles to do basic tasks, like buying food, and getting to work without a car.

[-] KimLuff@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 hours ago

This person is the devil on your shoulder. I quit doing things like applying to corporate slums and my life improved drastically. Like an unreal amount within months my mental health has skyrocketed. Trust me, it's better to just quit your job and support the people you like. A LOT of people will be mad but it will get easier to let it fall right off your back.

[-] Avicenna@programming.dev 1 points 1 hour ago

If a person says they have been having a very hard time for almost a decade because of job difficulties, you should perhaps consider the situation in that context and point of view rather than the black and white holier than thou approaches. I agree that the ideal point to go to is to isolate your-self from aggressive capitalism as much as possible but for each person the sensible steps to get closer to this is different.

[-] KimLuff@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 54 minutes ago

I've been unemployed since 2022, respectively fuck off with an argument that bad faith.

[-] Avicenna@programming.dev 1 points 43 minutes ago* (last edited 8 minutes ago)

I am sorry, I hope you find an occupation that is to your liking and holds up to your standards. Give everyone who choose to step away from aggressive capitalism the chance to contribute in their own way and do not try push the "I did it like this so should you". Someone else will always come and find things they do better than you which you won't be able to really fix in your context and getting shat on for that doesn't help anyone but provide temporary relief on the side of the shitter. For people who are brave enough to give up a majority of their life and go through major difficulties to distance themselves from all this, I feel respect. But that won't work wonders on everyone. So better they stay sane and contribute less but in their own way.

[-] qevlarr@lemmy.world 13 points 8 hours ago

Their catch is they'll say your footage isn't suitable for training and will only pay for a small portion that they claim can be used for training

[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 points 6 hours ago

Someone asks when I'm already broke and supporting a friend. Try a GoFund me, what can I say, ask mods to let you link your GoFund me here.

[-] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml 13 points 12 hours ago

Just do it wrong. Half ass the fuck out of it and milk it for what you can before they catch on. Fuck those pigs

[-] Etterra@discuss.online 12 points 16 hours ago

I remember when copywriters went through this exact same scenario like a year and a half ago.

[-] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 hours ago

This is the way. Contaminate it all. If AI will kill us all, better it be born of our own contaminated hatred for the owners of the means of production.

[-] NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml 1 points 12 hours ago

My thoughts exactly.

[-] whalebiologist@lemmy.world 17 points 22 hours ago

My dad was a machinist. I know automation for their jobs is highly desired. In an ideal socialist world, we would need experts to automate everything for us anyway, so the work you do is laying the ground work for that future to exist; we know it's going to be misused, I would say do it, document things as best you can for the next generation in a common book you keep to yourself.

Additionally, we know AI is pretty shit, Its more likely there will be a robotics breakthrough that will get people there. I think if you go in and get paid, and keep your eyes open for ways to sabotage the data set. (Being inefficient or bad at your job is a way to keep the gig going as long as possible)... there's hope.

[-] DataCrime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 70 points 1 day ago

Someone is going to do it if you decline. I admire your principles but you have to eat... take the job, stay healthy, we'll need you to help us fight the inevitable rise of the machines.

I really wanted to work the phrase G-Code Virus in there too, but I got nothing.

[-] KimLuff@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

AI video editor is still needed for the podcast I turned down. You would do it because you are a shill but that's not provable.

Show me the data!!

[-] lyrial@lemmy.sdf.org 40 points 1 day ago

It really sucks. I hate it, but you're probably right. I have no family at all, and even if it is a 1 year contract I can live for years off of $300k

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[-] paw@feddit.org 13 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

I think its important to consider: what does doing the job to you.

If you feel miserable all the time, then you may burn out or fall into a depression and may burn through your potential $ 300k fast. This means you need to consider that you can do this job without harming yourself. Like getting in "work mode" and forgetting about the negative implications that you think may happen to others during work hours.

Thanks for sharing your dilemma so openly and for caring about others.

[-] helix@feddit.org 48 points 1 day ago

You can take the $125 and poison their data by making a few mistakes every time. Just do it as inefficiently as possible, as you're billed by the hour. You'll make more money and they'll have more work and less useful data.

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[-] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Do it. A lot of these AI companies are going to go bankrupt. Companies are paying a premium for data on the hope that it'll make them lots of money, but real world applications do not always follow. A lot of these companies are ill equipped to deliver what they claim.

Even the big AI companies are struggling to match the promised gains versus their costs.

Someone will take the job, so take it. Its basically speculative investors money. Maybe they will succeed maybe they won't, but you can have the money and need the money.

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