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I think it's pretty safe to say that the majority of us are here to avoid another corporate takeover of our preferred platforms. It would seem to me to be a tad irresponsible to allow Facebook into our space with open arms, allowing them to hoover up our data. I would love to keep using Lemmy.world, but will happily change instances if need be, and I feel many share that sentiment.

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[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 17 points 11 months ago (14 children)

This is like saying "my email provider should block all emails from Gmail".

And they can hoover your data right now. Like, you think bots aren't spidering the site already? It's a public website.

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I actually think this demonstrates the exact problem. The reason you can't do that at the email level is because Google has taken over the entire email space. Ideally, we don't let threads do that.

Nowadays you have services like Outlook blocking emails Tutanota for "spam protection". I'd really rather threads not get so big that they can start dictating how the Feduverse operates in that fashion.

As I said down thread, the easiest way to get information with the structure of activity pub is to have a bunch of users and that is because the only way information gets transmitted to a server is by caching it based on post interactions.

That is exactly what millions of thread users in the Fedeverse would accomplish.

[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 12 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Would email be better if you couldn't send/receive emails from people with Gmail accounts?

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[–] laverabe@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Absolutely the same for me. Threads must not be allowed.

[–] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

If meta wants to data farm lemmy, what's to stop them from hosting a 1 user instance, being federated with lemmy, and....? Profit?

I'm not worried about information going that way, it's an open source deal, information is already going that way.

As for getting more content from another instance? I'm not against it, as long as it's regulated, and at risk of defederation if it gets out of hand

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[–] yoz@aussie.zone 14 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Any admins of Lemmy.world reading this? Can we tag them?

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[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 14 points 11 months ago (13 children)

What data is Facebook "hoovering up" through federation that they don't already have access to?

I have asked this question a dozen times and no one can ever give me a legitimate answer.

[–] steeznson@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Meta don't need to federate to get all of the ActivityPub information. By it's nature everything that is posted to it is public and unencrypted - including private messages. This is a PR move instead of a data gathering activity. Maybe also they are trying to bootstrap content into their new platform which would otherwise be a barren wastelend.

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[–] ieightpi@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (11 children)

People who keep touting the point that defederating from Meta means we are cutting people off from fediverse are picturing this situation wrong. Based on what I've read, people see this little island of people compared to the mainland where there will be physical barrier because shouldnt tear down the bridge.

But the net isnt like that. People have just as much freedom creating a Threads account as they do a Lemmy or Mastodon account.

And don't say that the fediverse is too difficult to understand for the average person. That kind of rhetoric is what will push people away.

Everyone needs to be patient with growth. It's not going to happen in a year just like it took years for reddit to grow. I do believe that more and more people will be interested in the fediverse once they realize that corporate oversight is non existent here. And that can only happen if we keep the major instances disconnected from Meta or any for profit company.

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[–] Icaria@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I thought Threads was supposed to be a competitor to twitter? I don't understand how they'd even integrate with Lemmy instances. I'm here to see posts from boards/forums/subs, not from specific people. Would posts from random Threads user profiles start showing up on the main page?

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[–] QaspR@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

I am in agreement on this one.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 11 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Threads will kill the Fediverse and chuds welcome it with open arms.

[–] hal_5700X@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Threads will kill the Fediverse...

How?

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[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Fuck anything and everything about Meta. Don't let them near this.

[–] Rognaut@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I will absolutely change instances to one which has defederated from FB.

[–] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

I'm planning the same.

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[–] Fizz 10 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Threads content won't show up in your feed unless you go out of your way to follow a threads user. All defederating does is deny your users the benefits of activity pub. If twitter is anything to go by then Threads content will be on this platform through screenshots anyway.

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[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (23 children)

I will be leaving if lemmy.world defederates with threads.

Just give users the ability to block instances themselves so we can be done with this.

Stop letting other people make decisions for you.

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[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not worried about Threads joining the fediverse. They can't even properly implement hashtags and trending topics, which already puts them far behind Mastodon and X.

Also, how would users on a microblogging platform be able to interact with a Lemmy instance? I'm a bit confused about how ActivityPub works in that respect.

The 'they can farm our data' argument is a bit moot when Lemmy is already publicly accessible, and it makes us no better than Spez if we are trying to combat people for 'data scraping"

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