this post was submitted on 24 Dec 2023
13 points (93.3% liked)

Melbourne Trains

256 readers
1 users here now

About

c/MelbourneTrains is a community dedicated to all forms of public transport within the state of Victoria, Australia. We are a friendly and helpful community that welcomes anybody with an interest in Victoria public transport.

Rules

This community operates under the rules of aussie.zone. These apply to you regardless of which instance you are interacting from.

Credits

Community icon by @Baku@aussie.zone featuring a W8 Class tram taken on April 17, 2022. Community banner by @Baku@aussie.zone in the style of former Metropolitan PTV Platform sign. (aussie.zone icon in the community banner cleaned up by @useless_modern_god@aussie.zone.)

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
all 7 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] TheHolm@aussie.zone 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] Baku@aussie.zone 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What's not necessary? HSR? DIsagree. It would be very useful and would make travelling by train viable to a lot more people

[–] TheHolm@aussie.zone 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Only destination it may work is Sydney-to-Melbourne line. But I do not think we have enough traffic there to be viable. Look at Japan, bullet trains there is more expensive than planes if you travel between major cities. Only thing trains have over planes is convenience and reach for small destinations.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 11 months ago

Only destination it may work is Sydney-to-Melbourne line

Melbourne to Brisbane (via Canberra and Sydney) is the only place anyone talking about high speed rail in Australia is concerned with. Nobody is saying we should build high speed rail to Broome.

[–] oahi@aussie.zone 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Agree. We don’t need hsr, we need more services on the existing normal-speed tracks. Adelaide-Melbourne is currently only 2x per week on a tourist train. Sydney-Melbourne 2x day. All you’d need to do is build more trains. You wouldn’t need to build hundreds of km’s of expensive high-speed track. We could run some trains Melbourne through Albury all the way to Canberra while we’re at it.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 3 points 11 months ago

We need both. Air transport produces a ridiculous amount of greenhouse gas emissions, and nobody is ever going to replace a plane with a train at low speed train speeds. With high speed rail and properly-priced externalities, almost all Melbourne-Sydney trips (pre-COVID, one of the busiest flight routes in the world) as well as stop-offs in Canberra could easily be done by train. You probably wouldn’t replace as many Brisbane-Sydney trips—if externalities were appropriately priced-in, you’d most likely see leisure and family trips done via train but business trips continue to be flights.

You’re right that we also need more frequency, but that almost automatically comes with the high speed upgrade. High speed rail replaces flights in the sub-1000 km range. Low speed rail is its own category that simply doesn’t compete in the same space as flights, which is why the low frequency unfortunately makes some sense and increasing it wouldn’t help. But when you’re competing with flights, the volume of travel, and therefore the frequency of trips, goes way up.