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[–] Hillock@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think that article is mostly clickbait. So much speculation going on and the comparison to Afghanistan is such a stretch. There is no sign of war exhaustion in the west. People might lose interest in following the conflict because it slowed down but Russia is such a big enemy in the minds of people that sending more equipment can go on for decades before voices grow to stop it.

And the fear that any peace that Putin can celebrate as a victory would only be a temporary peace is still very imbedded into the mind of many Europeans.

[–] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

The best case scenario for Putin would put him in an inevitable and unwinnable war with NATO.

[–] Chup@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The title is total clickbait but the article is more thinking of theoretical options of events to come. E.g. how the end(s) of the war could look like.

Petr Pavel, Czech president & former general, already stated that at the end of the year, the window of opportunity might be closed for Ukraine and Ukraine should try to gain as much ground as possible before the winter. Not because of the weather, but because of elections coming in Russia, the USA and Ukraine in 2024.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-has-window-of-opportunity-this-year-to-take-back-territory-from-russia-before-war-fatigue-says-czech-republics-president-12918975

Not even talking about the possible election outcomes and possible consequences for the war, already the election campaigns with their goals, promises, propaganda and unique selling points might have influence on the events and further planning. Just imagine Trump (or successor) starting a new mesh of lies and getting supported by Putin, which will get soaked up by their followers and complicate support by the USA - the largest military supporter of Ukraine so far.

[–] APassenger@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago

Trump can fuck off to jail. I'd like to see him tried for treason.

DeSantis has shown he's a non-starter.

At this point they're hoping for a dark horse pro-retreat candidate.

[–] GiuseppeAndTheYeti@midwest.social 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This article has no other reasoning for negotiated concessions becoming the more likely outcome other than, "winter is coming". This is just a doom reader fluff piece.

Ukraine is losing less men in their counter offensive than when they were defending the front, are receiving more weaponry and ammunition than ever before, and have been training on western military hardware for months that is soon to hit the battlefield. Sure the winter is going to slow Ukrainian advance, but this isn't the 1940's. Artillery, air support, and mortars can all reach further than ever before with near pinpoint accuracy.

Also Russia has no experience advantage in dealing with their winter vs. Ukraine. Russian winter was an issue for France and Germany in large part because they didn't understand what they were dealing with. It's Ukraine's home turf. They know what winter means for them and are prepared for it.

[–] Phantom_Engineer@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Telegraph does like their doom reader fluff pieces.

[–] erin@lemmy.sidh.bzh 7 points 1 year ago

"Never sell the bear's skin before one has killed the beast."

[–] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Last I read, Ukraine was switching to new and better weapons and Russia was resorting to older tanks and pensioners. I've never heard of anyone winning a war with last centuries' weapons.

[–] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

damn lots of libs here on some serious copium

[–] tallwookie@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

the ukrainian war is as much a war for freedom from russian influence (for ukraine) as it is a proxy war against russia (for america/the west).

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Pppffff in what world is resisting an invasion by a much larger country with a larger military for over a year, a defeat? Even if Ukraine settles, they won this war.

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