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[–] Shalakushka@kbin.social 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

By that logic, I'm sure the disingenuous creator of the meme would be totally fine with Democrats appointing every justice from here on out. After all, as long as you call the judiciary impartial, it definitely is.

[–] eskimofry@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago

Ew... a conservative in the wild..

[–] ahornsirup@sopuli.xyz 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Because individuals have opinions, prejudices, and experiences that will always at least subconsciously influence their actions, regardless how impartial they are supposed to be, and regardless of how impartial they might want to be.

Next silly question please.

[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

The whole issue is that judges don’t spawn out of nowhere, someone has to appoint them. Who does so? Well, in the US alone, I think there at some level every single method is being tried at the same time. Local judges are often elected, federal ones are appointed by the president, Supreme Court by the legislature.

[–] VoterFrog@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Legal analysis isn't an exact science. Different people place different weights on different methods of analysis and different types of evidence. Impartial just means that they'll apply the same weights regardless of the involved parties, not that they'll reach the exact same conclusion as every other impartial judge.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Impartial just means that they'll apply the same weights regardless of the involved parties, not that they'll reach the exact same conclusion as every other impartial judge.

The most succinct way of putting it that I've seen

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It'd be a real shame if there was systemic evidence of that simply not being true in the American justice system, be it the ever present racial discrepancies in sentencing or judicial reactions to things like systemic and pervasive wage theft.

It turns out applying their biases consistently just isn't the same thing as impartiality.

[–] VoterFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I wouldn't argue that most judges are impartial. I'm not sure who the straw man in the meme is supposed to be, I don't know who does. My point was just that there's nothing inherently nonsensical about coexisting impartial conservatives and impartial liberals who come to different conclusions in a case.

[–] eskimofry@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like having a bias towards wage theft consistently doesn't help with impartiality when the defendant and prosecutors are employer and employee. How do you convince people that the judge is impartial here?

[–] VoterFrog@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

That's why impartiality and liberal/conservative are different axes. A conservative judge may favor an analytical framework that creates an interpretation of existing laws that favors employers. As long as they consistently use that same analytical framework for other types of cases, they'd remain impartial despite being heavily conservative.

The point being, judges being impartial isn't all we should care about. Some analytical frameworks are just plain bad and we shouldn't be giving jobs to judges who use them.

[–] ApostleO@startrek.website 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Shaka, when the walls fell

Thomas and Crow, in the Adirondacks.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Bush and Gore, at the Supreme Court

[–] teft@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Darmok and Jalad at the White House.

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Harold and Kumar at White Castle

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Lucy in the sky with Diamonds

[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Captain America, his finger pointed

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

trolls need to have everything explained, and they don't use memes or cultural references correctly

[–] f43r05@lemmy.ca 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)