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Edit: I've been schooled in the comments, this is no longer a thing, they've relented and allowed more control over the censor list. But hey, it's kinda funny still, so, feel free to keep reading if you like...

Original post follows.

Coming here from the Great #RedditMigration. When all of the alternatives were being discussed, one thing I noticed was that Lemmy seems to have one single global slur list that's literally hard-coded into the software. Your only option (as a server admin) is to either enable or disable it, but the words it's going to block are permanent and unchangeable unless you can talk the devs into updating the regex for the next release.

And I checked out some of their GitHub issues, and the devs seem almost militantly defensive of this. Like, they are not entertaining any suggestions at all to make it editable. Their actual solution is, if you don't like it, fork the repo and change it your own damn self, but we're not touching it, go piss up a rope. Don't mind one of the words they don't like? Too bad. English word is perfectly innocuous in your language? Piss off. Want to block the equivalent Djiboutian words? Believe it or not, go to hell.

Seems like such a weird hill to die on. And this is concerning as the lemmyverse is just taking off. This just seems like such an easy and obvious thing to make configurable for all kinds of reasons, and they're just closing down tickets. Not even a "don't have time right now but we'll put it in the backlog and get there soon". Just, nope.

So anyways. I dunno where I'm going with this really. I'm not in a position to really do anything about it. So this is just a rant I guess. But if the main devs of this thing we're all migrating to are this... I dunno, arrogant? Opinionated?... already, then what's gonna happen later when there are actual real issues that need addressed? We're leaving one spezhole and going straight to another?

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[–] 0xc0ba17@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I must say it was a funny rant to read (and I 100% agree with you)

Edit: though i quickly looked at the code and it seems that the regex is customizable? https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/e181f4f41d61832f1278775179b6743699f8af12/crates/api_crud/src/site/update.rs#L95

(Edit: updated the link as a github permalink)

[–] ilovededyoupiggy@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm glad they've relented and made it editable now! The threads I'd seen mastodon about it, and the links to their GitHub tickets, were pretty disappointing to me. Glad it's not the case anymore.

[–] nivenkos@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

FWIW it's been this way for well over a year IIRC.

But the instance you post on needs to have it configured reasonably too.

[–] alternativeninja@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 1 year ago

Man. You're bringing up something from 3 years ago. It's fully disabable and editable.

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622#issuecomment-1301066378

[–] nivenkos@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

It has been configurable already, for at least a year if not more.

I wish it weren't enabled by default too though.

[–] thirdorbital@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I naively want to believe that this won't be an issue for most users having most conversations. But out of curiosity can you link what the ban list actually contains?

[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I ran into this earlier today, I couldn't even figure out what the word was. Rewrote my message three times, and then gave up.

[–] New_account@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Gotta love when ~~classic~~ cl***ic profanity filters are implemented without learning the mistakes that have been made again and again over the last 30 years.

[–] TheTedJamesExperiment@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

From Software games have filters for player names and it often leads to stuff like this. Thus if you put "knight" in your character's name, a common thing that people do given that they're medieval fantasy games, it appears as "k***ht." Likewise "dead" becomes "d***" and "Thomas" becomes "T**mas." Even more embarrassingly, the filter is case sensitive and all the filtered words are lowercase, so you could name your character a slur and it would be fine as long as you capitalize the first letter.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is known as the Scunthorpe problem after a town in, I think England and a certain word it contains that is often blocked.

[–] New_account@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Ahh, the word "hor." Can't let the children see such profanity.

[–] MeowdyPardner@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

I think you have to ask the admin of sh.itjust.works what they set the filer to because it seems customizable now.

[–] PriorProject@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Have you confirmed that the word list is still in play? I thought after much debate they killed it a decent while ago.

[–] AnonymousLlama@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

I think from memory that the kbin dev was talking about getting "AutoMod" enabled on the site to help future moderation so having something like that would give you more options over how content is held in moderation.

I assume once AutoMod gets integrated there won't be a need for a global ban list anymore.

[–] Protahgonist@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reduced because this is already no longer an issue, making this an amusing rant but also disinformation. In any case, come to kbin! It's very nice.

[–] aebrer@kbin.social -3 points 1 year ago

Yeah +1 for kbin

[–] Googleproof@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Spez is a symptom of reddit's problem, not the problem itself. Put someone in who wants to help the users more than the investors, and the investors will just kick them out. Which is why I'm more sympathetic to the Marxists around here.

So far as a ban list goes, it's better to be hard-coded than a database call for performance reasons, and if it stops 95% of bad actors, that'd be a good thing. Problem is that it won't, they'll find a way around the regex. So yeah, this is something that should be handled by mods or communities.

It provides a minor inconvenience to people wanting to set up alt-right instances, and makes them feel unwelcome, so maybe that's enough to justify it's existence.

[–] lohrun@fediverse.boo 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You could always join us in kbin land ;) @ernest has been a really supportive dev and there seems to be more devs over here willing to help him work on it

[–] lixus98@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Join on fedia.io, readit.buzz or fediverse.boo all very stable kbin instances.

[–] lohrun@fediverse.boo 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey I’d like to think mine is stable too 😭

[–] lixus98@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Added to the list

[–] naunan@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But man, I think we need to clone him or something. That's hell of a job right now.

[–] lohrun@fediverse.boo 1 points 1 year ago

We’re trying to spin up more instances and hopefully get some devs spun up on the code base. There are A LOT of bug and feature requests coming in right now

[–] BuddhaBeettle@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Since that issue seems to be resolved, just came here to say, I did experiment this issue on a smaller scale on reddit.
Lets just say a very common color and sometimes even word of endearment for your loved ones in my native language is a common english slur (and a very bad one at that). I would be telling my friends of the x colored dress I bought via chat and the message would be flagged down and would not send.
I had to be very careful cause I was afraid my account would get banned one day.

[–] jclinares@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] BuddhaBeettle@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Yep, that would be exactly the case.
If someone from the US heard us talking to our friends and family in our native tounge, I think a few would have a meltdown.
"Little black crayola pencil" is a common nickname for friends and family (regardless of skin tone).
My grandma, bless her soul, socially changed her name when she was in her 20s from "Mary" to "female black crayola pencil", its the only name she's answered to from that day till the day she died, no one batted an eye.

[–] WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

'believe it or not, go to hell' is my new catchphrase and you can't stop me

but also maybe throw an edit at the top of your post to say this is a solved issue if you want to prevent spreading disinformation.

[–] Reaeal@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Romanian speakers: Is that a beech tree?

Lemmy:

[–] Hank@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

What the fagus going on?

[–] cloaker@kbin.social -4 points 1 year ago

The answer is KBin.

[–] cloaker@kbin.social -4 points 1 year ago

The answer is KBin.

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