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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

All this is a path to a police state.

In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

That's the solution.

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21 Bodycam Videos Caught the NYPD Wrongly Arresting Black Kids on Halloween. Why Can’t the Public See the Footage? (www.propublica.org)

submitted 10 months ago by Drusas@kbin.social to c/thepoliceproblem@lemmy.world

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ProPublica editor-at-large Eric Umansky started investigating police oversight after an NYPD officer hit a teenager with a car in 2019. In the years since, he’s learned how police departments have undermined the promise of body-worn cameras.

I got my first real lesson in police accountability in 2019 on Halloween. My wife, Sara Pekow, and our daughter had watched an NYPD officer drive the wrong way up a Brooklyn street and hit a Black teenager. The police had been chasing him as a suspect in the theft of a cellphone. When the boy rolled off the car and ran away, the officers turned their attention to other nearby Black boys who seemed to be simply trick-or-treating. The police lined them against the wall of our neighborhood movie theater, cuffed them and took them away.

At the time, I was editing coverage of the Trump administration, not policing. But I was troubled and, frankly, curious. I ended up waiting outside the police precinct with the boys’ families. The boys were released hours later, with no explanation, no paperwork and no apology.

The next day I reached out to the NYPD’s press office and asked about what happened. Eventually, a spokesperson told me that nothing inappropriate had occurred. A police car hadn’t hit the kid, he said. The kid had run over the hood of the car.

I couldn’t get it out of my head. Not just what had happened, but the NYPD’s brazen denial of what my family and others had witnessed. Surely, I thought, that wouldn’t be the end of it.

I was wrong.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 10 months ago

Sheriff departments are also notoriously corrupt, drunk with power, and frequently far-right. Here's a blog I subscribe to about them.

sheriffs.substack.com

And here's a phenomenolly reported podcast on gangs in sheriff departments in LA.

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-a-tradition-of-violence-103160006/

And if you want to read the journalist's work rather than listen to the podcast, here's where to find that.

https://knock-la.com/tradition-of-violence-lasd-gang-history/

I've listed these three links enough times that I've now saved them locally so I don't have to look them up via Google each time. I strongly recommend checking them out.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

Because it makes them look like the jackbooted Nazi thugs they are. Obviously, duh.

[–] Hobbes@startrek.website 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

These should be publicly available online with about a 1 hr delay in case they are actually doing something good.

[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The Seattle Police Department posts bodycam footage after every time they shoot a person. The footage is carefully edited to make it look like the killing was justified. If they can't do that, they "lose" the footage.

I promise you that if police were forced to release all footage, they would either never turn on body cams or turn on body cams all the time and release footage, unlabelled, with thousands of hours of other footage of cops just sitting in their cars talking about nothing.

Police are absolute experts at malicious compliance.

[–] flipht@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

Which is why police should be abolished and replaced. We need SWAT and cops with guns sometimes, but we don't need those people to be the primary mechanism and the primary decision makers.

What we consider police should be a small subsection of the public safety force that a modern society needs. Give us traffic monitors, mental health counselors, etc.

[–] dan42O@infosec.pub 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Bc this case could set precedent for other cases and indirectly impact tenured professionals in a negative fashion.

[–] ericisshort@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Good. Tenure is bullshit. No one should be in a position to be free of consequences.

[–] dan42O@infosec.pub 1 points 10 months ago

I believe the concept is the longer the tenure, their risk diminishes for any poor performance. “It’s the new guys fault”, some the guy has clique like relationship to not be held accountable!