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‘Seismic shift’: driving unaffordable for many in US amid push toward SUVs (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] ExLisper@linux.community 150 points 10 months ago (8 children)

If anyone would care to read the article it's more about companies making more high end cars and running low stocks than making cars bigger. They reduced stock during the pandemic and discovered that they can make more money selling fewer cars with maxed out specs than a lot of base models. They simply don't have base models on stock now and people still have to buy cars so profits are soaring. Basically they made everyone depend on cars by killing public transport and are now milking it hard. Because what are you going to do? Work from home?

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 47 points 10 months ago (11 children)

Good thing China isn't ready to flood the market with millions of cheap electric cars. This short term profit is going to end up biting them in the ass real quick. Although I guess they know they'll just get bailed out, so there's no reason to innovate.

[–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 20 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Not to worry: protectionism will take take of the competition. Just like they did with the Japanese manufacturers...

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Yeah no one drives a Honda or Toyota 🙄🤣

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 31 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Oh hey almost exactly like the housing issue... Greedy fucking companies realized they made more making McMansions than starter houses so no one makes reasonable houses anymore and we're all stuck trying to buy 4+ bedroom overpriced shit...

There's no way this could be bad for society at large especially when driving is pretty much mandatory outside of cities. Nah, it couldn't be bad because it's good for corporations. Not that anyone cares. Externalities is just a fancy word...

Remember: can't afford life? Move to a low cost of living area and drive 2 hours to work! ....wait...

[–] GhostFence@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's going to break down when Starbucks in San Francisco/etc. can't find workers because the cost to drive 20 miles to work is greater than what they're being paid. That day when low-paying big city jobs disappear because no one can afford to get there and work there is coming very fast.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It's already here. They aggressively recruited among the higher middle class urban kids and poverty kids who can use mass transit. And now they have a very stubborn union movement.

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[–] ExLisper@linux.community 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Remember: can’t afford life? Move to a low cost of living area and drive 2 hours to work! …wait…

The article even mentions some research that in the suburbs people with cars tend to get better jobs.

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[–] GhostFence@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That's a lot of words to say "Cartel". Car...tel... get it?

I'm here all day, folks! 👍

Here’s a hint: the automakers are doing great. By essentially coordinating an industry-wide production cut, the pandemic gave manufacturers power to demand mind-boggling prices for fewer cars, leading to record profits. As consumers adjusted their expectations, executives saw an opportunity to establish a lucrative new normal. Low inventory is an “opportunity to drive strong margins”, GM’s CEO, Mary Barra, told shareholders in 2022. Ford’s CEO, Jim Farley, went even further, declaring: “I want to make it extremely clear to everyone: we are going to run our business with a lower day supply than we have had in the recent past because that’s good for our company.”

Also see: collusion... market manipulation... fauxflation.

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[–] brognak@lemm.ee 143 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Repeal CAFE standards, or just delete the entire catagory of "light truck". If it doesn't have a bed, its not a fucking truck. This entire fucked situation is literally just automakers not wanting to be bothered to make fuel efficient cars when you can call everything a fucking truck and be mostly exempt from having to comply with the far stricter regulations around smaller passenger vehicles MPG standards.

And the automakers give zero shits since they make so much more selling these larger utterly pointless vehicles rather than smaller, more economical ones.

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 77 points 10 months ago (1 children)

tax light trucks heavily unless the owner can prove they use it for business purposes, like construction or farming

[–] Pipoca@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Light trucks is kinda a crazy category. It's lighter vehicles that

(1) Designed primarily for purposes of transportation of property or is a derivation of such a vehicle, or (2) Designed primarily for transportation of persons and has a capacity of more than 12 persons, or (3) Available with special features enabling off-street or off-highway operation and use

Vans, minivans, SUVs, and crossovers are mostly categorized as light trucks. Most vehicles on the road are light trucks; they outsell cars right now 3 to 1

[–] Poach@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

And pedestrian fatalities are are on the rise for some reason. Can't imagine why

[–] CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Not to "make rules for me" but I do think minivans should get a category of some kind - it puts all it's points in function, and none in sport/SUV, is the most efficient user of space, and generally reasonable hood height. Plus I'm not buying one to brag or strut my stuff.

[–] brognak@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I used to haul my four wheeler around in the back of my mom's town and country in high school. It was crazy easy to load and unload since the rear deck was so low. Just pulled the seats out, put a tarp down, setup the ramps and pushed it in since it was such a shallow angle. Worked great, did it a couple dozen times.

Minivans are more useful utility vehicles than most modern trucks and I'll die on this hill. The bed height on modern trucks alone is kind bogglingly idiotic.

I'd love something between an Astrovan and a traditional minivan.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

There's one flaw in the design: frontal cross section. They sit as low to the ground as a sedan, but are as tall as a crossover. This makes their aerodynamics terrible.

I'd still prefer one over a crossover, because we haul things on a regular basis and a minivan with the rear-most seats out would be more practical for us. Nobody makes an EV minivan yet, though. Closest thing is the Ford Transit EV, but it's only sold to commercial customers, and its range is limited.

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[–] iamjackflack@lemm.ee 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Stop buying SUVs and expensive cars!

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[–] BenM2023@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Can't have the poors driving - they should be working! cf. Drive to eliminate internal combustion driven vehicles and replace with EVs as well.

[–] BlueLineBae@midwest.social 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Don't worry! Well make them all return to the office so that 90% of them are forced to commute via car. That means they'll have to buy one even if they can't afford it! It's genius and there's definitely no other way this can be done because otherwise they will miss out on all that important in-office interaction bullshit!

[–] GluWu@lemm.ee 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

It blows my mind how many people are paying nearly my rent on their car payment. We've already normalized having 48+ month financing on cars people would never even think about buying because it's 2 years salary instead of a 2 months. But you can pay $800 every month, right?

Better not lose the job you need the car for that you need to pay for the car payment because miss a few and all those payments go bye-bye, it's repo time! Then good luck getting a job, if you can't pay your car payment, you won't even be able to afford a clapped out 94 civic with 200k for $5k. Maybe if you just move out for a few months you can save up enough to get that car. Just a few months on friends couches or in motels, then it will be okay. Then you'll get back on your feet.

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[–] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Seems like this would be a good time for foreign car companies to take advantage of the US automakers entrenched positions again like Japan did in the 1970s.

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[–] Mango@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Well, I gotta save for a Chrysler 300 because that's the only company who isn't lobbying against right to repair.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Chrysler is probably only doing it because they already design their vehicles to be a huge pain in the ass to repair. I remember my buddy having to remove his wheel to replace his battery in his intrepid because the only access was via the wheel well.

I've also heard a story about Toyota where they would buy competitor vehicles to disassemble them and see what they were up to and they stopped bothering to even look at Chrysler vehicles because they didn't have anything useful to learn from their designs.

[–] Cynnith@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Chrysler dealership wants $450 to diagnose an issue on my 200. Local shop directed me to them because it was an electronics issue that they would need to repair. Not sure I would trust Chrysler either.

[–] evranch@lemmy.ca 10 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I just bought an old diesel Mercedes that I'm hoping will last me until the next era of car technology. I can't believe how easy it is to work on, almost as if it was designed to be maintained instead of to discourage the owner from doing so.

Currently it's had only 200k of its reputed million miles used up, so it has a long way to go yet!

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[–] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 months ago

I like how the article mentions: The preferred solution of many planners – replace car trips with transit – faces difficult odds in this country. Yet the last paragraph discusses s proposed solution being provide money to help lower income people buy and maintain cars.

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

the average used car lists at more than $26,000

Craig's list is your friend. Giant pile of cars there for four digits.

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

ones that run are in the high four digits, and the days of a sub $1000 running beater are over

[–] doc@kbin.social 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I'm hanging on to my sub $1000 beater. Late 90s Civic with 240k miles and no clear coat still has better mpg than our newish CRV.

[–] marx2k@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

My 2022 crv hybrid gets about the same mileage as my wife's stick shift 2012 civic!

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[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago

It's a good thing we give them so much TAXPAYER money! I'd MUCH rather give THESE men my Money then STARVING CHILDREN!

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