Please, please do that. I can’t wait to see the discovery portion of the trial
this post was submitted on 01 Aug 2023
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Yes, let's see the data
I was just going to say, wouldn't they have to disprove the findings to win?
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Elon used to love saying he was a Free Speech Absolutist, but once again that only extends to speech he likes.
The man will say absolutely anything.
Except things that are actually funny.
He likes any speech as long as it makes him money.
It's our fault honestly. We kept hearing "free speech" but he's been saying "fee speech" this whole time!
The response from CCDH is savage -
https://counterhate.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Letter-to-A.-Spiro-from-R.-Kaplan-re-CCDH.pdf
I love it. The gist is:
- hate speech is running rampant on your platform.
- you're doing nothing to stop it.
- here's our evidence.
- where's your e idence?
- why are you spending time and money on fighting us instead of on fighting the literal white supremacist death threats on your platform?
- telling us we've not sampled enough tweets while you're in the process of making impossible the mass sampling of tweets is...a bit rich.
- we're not intimidated by your threats
- your threats are also bullshit
- we're not gonna stop
It's a textbook example of "no u" in grown up language. Bravo.
Not to mention how it starts with
"We write in response to the ridiculous letter you sent our clients on behalf of X Corp."
They are not taking any BS. I love it.
Legal snark is by far the most expensive brand of humor, but when it's deployed on your behalf it's so goddamn satisfying.
During a hearing in my divorce, I answered a question from the judge, the other lawyer says "we can't have hearsay in this discussion", my lawyer responds "well this will be a short hearing then because everything in your client's motion is hearsay".
That little snap cost me about $15 but it was worth it.
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The best part of it:
If your clients do file suit, please be advised that CCDH intends to seek immediate discovery regarding hate speech and misinformation on the Twitter platform; Twitter’s policies and practices relating to these issues; and Twitter’s advertising revenue. In that event, a court will determine for itself the truth of the statements in our client’s report in accordance with the time-tested rules of civil procedure and evidence.
Now that is a nuclear statement in a lawyers letter...
I love that this is a legal letter and yet contains the very direct phrase:
That threat is bogus and you know it.
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It's a shame that people are still using that platform.
I really think all the artists still on there are shooting themselves in the foot in the long run.
And that obviously has already started with the direct messaging restrictions that messes with contacting commissioners.
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Evidence based documentation is going to be hard to win against, unless the plan is just drag them through legal proceedings until they can't afford it. The american dream.
Wouldn't surprise me if in this case enough people would donate. Enough people are sick of Musk at this point.
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For a company that claims to be desperate to cut costs they sure do have a lot of money for frivolous lawsuits...
Does Stinky believe that by suing these researchers, the rise in hate speech didn't happen?!
No, but he can scare off anyone else from making him look bad.
It's expensive and scary to get hit with a lawsuit like this.
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Just donated to the CCDH, they definitely don't have the resources to fight Twitter alone.
Given that Twitter trust and safety was almost completely gutted upon his acquisition, I think it's very improbable that type of content was moderated effectively.
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The man-child billionaire says he is not for censorship, while using the judicial system to censor.
We don’t need to call it X or even the platform formerly known as Twitter. It’s just Twitter.
I mean their site is twitter[.]com
They haven't changed the url yet? Wonder when they'll do it..... Probably gonna break a lot of stuff everywhere.
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This is a great example of a SLAPP suit
Sue everyone you don't like. That's the thin-skinned, narcissistic billionaire way.
Doesn't matter if they're right or wrong, pile up the costs and they'll all cave in.
I think Elon's rebranding from "twitter" to "X, The Social Media Platform Formerly Known As Twitter" was really smart. You know what, I am gonna go XTSMPFKAST-eet that right now! Obviously the branding was the weakest part of the product he bought!
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If they go to court, wouldn't the court make them prove that the claim was false or defamation? And if CCDH can prove that it's not false or defamation then now it's legal record that hate speech has increased since the takeover? This all seems ok with me.
That's not how the American court system works.
A company like Twitter can bleed the CCDH dry and just walk away with a frivolous lawsuit and a minor (insignificant) penalty.
And the way that works is not by accident.
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Wasn’t he all about free speech and even against censorship?
“ I think if you go down the censorship route, it’s only a matter of time before censorship is turned upon you.” -musk
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Musk should sue himself then. Seems like he has done the most to drive away advertisers.
Free speech, but until something goes wrong. Then it's totalitarian government
“Free speech for me, not for thee”. God, I’m THIS close to deleting my account there and just migrating back to Tumblr and bluesky. There are just too many users I love that haven’t moved anywhere else yet.
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He is the forefront of apartheid theory and sees anyone not espousing it a threat to his existence.
Stop giving Musk free publicity. Don't post or upvote Musk spam.
Edit Not posting Musk spam on Lemmy does not mean there's no accountability. What Musk wants is for idiots like you to keep upvoting his daily bullshit and doing his marketing for free.
So let them operate under the radar and avoid any and all accountability? I think that might be exactly what Musk wants.
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Driving ur attention to here:
X is a free public service funded largely by advertisers.
X aware that the CCDH gained access to X’s data without Brandwatch’s authorization,
How did they get the data? By visiting the public website. Unless browsing Ten is illegal that's a baseless claim.
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"How dare you use well researched facts to state obvious facts that I don't like to hear about!" - karen musk
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