The fact that firefox updates when I open it instead of when I close it. Has to be the most annoying feature ever. : firefox

[–] DScratch@sh.itjust.works 104 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Would you prefer:

“Firefox Updater

This app is preventing shutdown”

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 8 months ago (3 children)

You shut your PC down?

[–] bob_lemon@feddit.de 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, no reason not to. Takes only a couple of seconds to boot, and everything is reset to a clean state.

[–] drawerair@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I started using Windows 11 in December 2023 and tried to just use sleep. My 🔋 drained fast while my 💻 was on sleep. I expected it. AMD and Intel processors generally aren't as efficient as the Apple M soc.

While it was on sleep, there were times it suddenly needed to restart.

I once had a blue screen of death too.

So now, I shut it down most of the time. Windows 11 boot-ups and shutdowns are surprisingly fast. :)

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[–] DScratch@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I got a X570 board with the really loud fan.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Instead of sleep mode, I think they meant.

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[–] TurtleTourParty@midwest.social 3 points 8 months ago

My laptop won't charge from USB-C if the battery fully dies, so I shut it down to prevent that.

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[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 41 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The better approach would be to prepare the update in the background and swap out the version on the next start

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 27 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Isn't that what it does? That's how it works on macOS, and I get prompted to restart on Linux when I install updates in the background.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm on Windows and I don't recall the last time I was inconvenienced by a Firefox update. Like... I can't even remember what it actually does. OP must be running it on a potato or something.

[–] Unreliable@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think they mean when you go to open Firefox (when it updates) it immediately closes and reopens the first time? At least mine does that.

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[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Yeah and it only takes seconds on a decent PC.

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[–] finthechat@kbin.social 41 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Go to options. Scroll halfway down the page. Firefox gives you the choice to change updates from automatic to whenever you want.

https://i.imgur.com/NxpbIH4.png

[–] ArtificialLink@lemy.lol 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I prefer automatic updates.

[–] stom@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Apparently, you don't.

[–] ArtificialLink@lemy.lol 2 points 8 months ago

I don't like when it chooses to auto update. Its a very minor but annoying annoyance

[–] smotherlove@sh.itjust.works 34 points 8 months ago

I disagree. Software not terminating immediately is grounds for uninstallation. It should update silently while it runs.

[–] NaoPb@eviltoast.org 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Ubuntu has an even better approach. It updates silently while you are using it. Then your tab crashes. And when you retry it tells you to restart firefox. Truly genius *cheffs kiss

[–] ReakDuck@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago

As an Arch user. I wanted to use Arch at work too. Well, they want me to use Kubuntu (or any other prefered Ubuntu, but I like KDE so I do what every other dev uses)... except for Home Office ofc. Arch.

Still. I hate this stupid update thing. Suddenly I get 20 notifications of KDE system wanting a reboot because of updates and Firefox doing exactly this.

The worst. When I open a new tab by middleclicking a link, the tab crashes. I restart Firefox and the new Tab is gone forever. Sometimes its easy to get what I saw but not always.

[–] ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

How else would you know it was doing anything?

[–] itsnotits@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

chef's* kiss

[–] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 25 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You guys close your browser? Weird

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 months ago

Well yeah, about every 4 weeks when Firefox gets updated.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I'm not really hankering for that 4 seconds it takes to restart.

[–] ArtificialLink@lemy.lol 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Takes longer on older hardware

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[–] GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It matters more when you clear history and cookies automatically at close. You lose your entire session.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Then... don't do that? You can clear history and cookies manually really easily, so if you restart your browser less often than Firefox releases updates (every 4 weeks), you're just opening yourself up to hacks by running an insecure browser.

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[+] Raffster@kbin.social 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

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[–] _edge@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes, it's done by the package and when you configure it to, which in practice is right now.

Actually, that's one of the things Ubuntu got right with Snap (hate is as much as you want). They install the new version in the background without interrupting your flow. The next time, you close Firefox and choose to open it again....tada... it's the new version.

[–] Fisch@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

I think Flatpak does that too, no?

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago

Yeah, I know when I update Firefox with pamac that when I next open it it's going to need to update. It takes 3 seconds and restores my open tabs afterwards. It's really not so bad.

[–] subsonic_bubble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Would installing Firefox on winget solve OPs problem, assuming they are on Windows?

[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 8 months ago

Not likely. Windows doesn’t like modifying open files, so the installer would probably request you close Firefox. Linux will happily change the in-use files underneath the browser, Firefox notices and prompts you to restart the browser when you open a new tab.

[–] KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The flatpak version updates in the background, doesn't interrupt if its already running, and is immediately on the latest version the next time you run firefox.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

Same on macOS. I haven't used Windows in years, but I'd be surprised if it's much different there.

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

I don't think I've ever noticed Firefox updating. The only sign I get that it updates is that when it does a special tab opens telling me about the new features.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago

Just use a a package manager

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This is what I hate on school computers, and it drives people away from Firefox.
You don't have admin privilege, you can't update, so don't even try.
I always disable auto-updates on those.

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[–] woodgen@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

Applications updating themselves... must be a Windows thing. Didn't they want to copy package management from Linux? Maybe AI can help.

[–] daqqad@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Went not just disable automatic updates? Update when you have time for it.

[–] rushaction@programming.dev 2 points 8 months ago

My issue with FF's auto update is that the behavior is how painfully the auto-update works with multiple profiles.

I'll have one window (well three) open for some (measurable in days) time.

FF updates silently, I haven't restarted my browser so I haven't noticed.
I go to open a session in the second (or third profiles)
FF decides now is a great time to apply the update, after all it just opened right?
All the existing open browsing sessions in the other profiles get bricked. The tabs just stop responding, no browsing works, just dead in the water.

I have to shut it (all?) down to get it working again.

I don't know how Chrome handles this so I cannot compare. TBH still worth using FF over that adware!

[–] Mio@feddit.nu 2 points 8 months ago

I see it like thank you that i don't have to go to Mozilla website and download the installer. So much time saved, and it only takes like 5 second without manually doing anything. On Linux i saw please restart Firefox tab and clicked it. No problem. I got the update fast.