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Former Vice President Pence on Tuesday delivered his strongest condemnation yet of former President Trump, after his former running mate was indicted Tuesday on four criminal charges related to his efforts to cling to power and overturn the results of the 2020 election.

“Today’s indictment serves as an important reminder: anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be President of the United States,” Pence wrote in a statement.

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[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 99 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow. It only took an ex-vice president over three years to do so. Fuck Pence. He's just as much a piece of shit as Trump.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

It's not his fault. Mother had prohibited him from speaking.

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 74 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh look who found their removable testicular implants

As Americans, his candidacy means less attention paid to Joe Biden’s disastrous economic policies afflicting millions across the United States and to the pattern of corruption with Hunter,” Pence said, referring to Trump.

Oh well, this broken clock can’t even be right once for a change.

We will restore a threshold of integrity and civility in public life so we can bring real solutions to the challenges plaguing our nation.

Real solutions such as? Burning books? Making LGBTQ lives a living hell? Guns everywhere? More tax breaks for billionaire oligarchs? Or more attacks on democracy?

Go home Mike.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I live in Indiana. Please don't go home, Mike. You make it worse here. Let him go to Mississippi or, even better, Russia.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

I was born and raised in New York. I really love my town, but I'd never say that I was 'proud' to be a New Yorker; I'm from here because my parents moved here, not from anything special about me.

I was proud that 90% of the people here voted against 'favorite son' Donnie.

[–] Dark_Blade@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

I love how these spineless cowards are finally denouncing Trump’s attempt at a coup, long after this action lost any value it might’ve had.

[–] zpm@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Such a joke, how many years has he been wobbly on the subject and now that there's 79 felony counts on the T-Rump, nowwww he's taking a stand?

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

My thinking is that we'll find Pence either knew about it to some extent or was otherwise complicit in SOMETHING Trump did. This is him trying to paddle away from the waterfall.

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He is not taking any stand. He is just saying what everyone wants to hear. First sign of trouble and he will shove his head back into orange asshole

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

At least this rat knows when to jump ship.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Dude has flip flopped so many times over the last 3 years, I'm not sure even he knows what he really believes. His only worthwhile accomplishment is not selling the country down the river in one admittedly important way and I'm pretty positive he wouldn't do the same thing if put in the same scenario again.

[–] blivet@artemis.camp 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I never thought I would say this, but thank God for Dan Quayle. Pence was looking for any excuse not to certify the election results, and Quayle told him flat out that the Vice President didn't have that authority.

[–] VubDapple@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I did not know about that. Amazing who turns out to do the right thing. I guess Quayle was so long ago that if his conservative set points didn't change he'd be a liberal now.

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Trump supporters don't like him, everyone else doesn't like him. At least he doesn't have a viable presidential bid.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Hopefully the religious right voters that he helped attract to Trump are still listening to him and his denouncement of Trump.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dude has flip flopped so many times over the last 3 years, I’m not sure even he knows what he really believes.

He does not care what you believe of him, as long as you vote for him. He is a politician, after all. OK, a nutty one, even for US standards.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

OK, a nutty one, even for US standards.

Seriously. Pretty sure most politicians wouldn't be so, let's say"diplomatic", about being the target of an attempted coup.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

He was not the target. He was just in the way. Democracy was the target.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You know, in some way I despise sycophants like Pence more than overt tyrants like Trump. The tyrants aren’t effective without the sycophants.

[–] Ducks@ducks.dev 12 points 1 year ago

Absolutely. This guy was supporting Trump after January 6. Anything he says is worthless. They wanted him hanged and he still stayed aboard the sinking ship. History won't forget how spineless he is, even if he has.

[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All this is about is setting his opposition to Trump in the upcoming elections. The fact that he still spouts shit like

As Americans, his candidacy means less attention paid to Joe Biden’s disastrous economic policies afflicting millions across the United States and to the pattern of corruption with Hunter,

shows he's still toeing the MAGA party line.

Trump isn't the disease he's a symptom of this pestilent political ideology.

[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I'm curious. Is there ANY metric anywhere by which our economy is in a bad place from Biden's policies? Now that the presidential delay has settled in, we seem to be in a truly unprecedented economic skyrocket right now from everything I've been reading.

Like, I really didn't like the guy at first, but I'm having trouble faulting Biden's outcomes.

[–] signet_nitrous0x@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I remember back in December when the economic data came out, my Fox News watching friends were willing to bet there would be a downward adjustment next month which never happened. I asked that exact same question to them by what metric do you not like the economic performance? No answer.

For some people, specially the ones that were young during Reagan years, they assume Democrats will be bad for the economy. It’s unfathomable to them that a democrat can be good for the economy even though over the last 30 years Republicans have been disastrous for the economy.

[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

This was sort of a press against Pence, for me. I didn't see Pence as a liar OR particularly stupid, just zealous and alien to my concerns.

But you're right. The Democrats REALLY need to find a counter for Starve the Beast that doesn't compromise their ethics. It's kinda like a MLB pro playing teeball at this point how easily Starve the Beast propagates lies..

[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I try not to be a fan of politicians in general, but his administration is at worst a standard dem one and at best a very successful dem one. Also, for a man who came of age before most of our parents were born his administration does seem to try to enact more progressive policies than I might have expected.

Pence's dig just seems pathetic in the face of that.

[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

There was once a point I thought Pence was just a brainwashed zealot who was well-meaning in his crazy way. But that Pence, as much as he terrified me in a Handmaid's Tale sort of way, is not one I would have imagined would tell bold faced lies about the economy.

As for Biden, yeah. I hate a lot of his past stances, and I hate the way he's treating progressivism (which could grow rapidly or be crushed with the last 5 years' activities), but I cannot say he's doing anything but a stellar job on the day-to-day of it all. And he does give some minor compensation to progressives, even if SCOTUS said "executive orders by Democratic presidents are unconstitutional"

[–] Fisk400@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And all it took was a mob gathering outside his place of work with a nose, chanting that they will hang him personally.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

"But I will always be proud of what we accomplished for the American people over the last four years. And I will not allow Democrats or their allies in the media to use one tragic day to discredit the aspirations of millions of Americans or allow Democrats or their allies in the media to distract our attention from a new administration intent on dividing our country to advance their radical agenda."

  • Michael Pence, June 3, 2021

The dude is an opportunistic rat that will say whatever he thinks will best serve him in the moment.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago

And 3 years of reflection.

[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn't he back Trump just a month or two ago on the same? Can he make up his mind? I mean, thanks for denouncing him now after almost 80 total criminal charges in 3 jurisdictions, but what gives?

[–] northendtrooper@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

He must of hired Simone Biles as a coach because the mental gymnastics he's pulling could injure others who attempt the same moves.

[–] Daisyifyoudo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Mike Pence is walking talking human garbage

[–] Mikey_donuts@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where was this on January 6?

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

More important, where was he in the run up? All he had to do was tell Donnie to heis face that they'd lost, and then go on TV and tell country.

He could have convened a 25th Amendment meeting of the Cabinet.

Sat there like a bump on a log...

[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is quite literally why I'll never see eye-to-eye with the "both sides are the same" folks.

If Trump were the Democratic president, the DEMOCRATS would have had his criminal ass in chains and impeached before the evidence was even public. We wouldn't have had a 1/6 because he would have been gone by or before 4/18/19.

Democrats, for all their flaws and corruption, put country over party.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

The MAGoo's in a nutshell.

First, 'Vote for us, we're more moral and patriotic than the dirty Dems.'

When they get caught they'll deny, then deny some more, and when it's blatantly obvious to everyone that they are guilty, "Both sides are the same!!'

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

pence and every single republican traitor can smoke a fat syphilitic dick.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Chud on chud violence!

[–] donut4ever@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Country IS more important, but not to Trump, though. Dude sees nothing but himself on this planet.

[–] yoz@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago

Hes a fucking rat. Take him out too while taking out the orange clown

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


“Today’s indictment serves as an important reminder: anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be President of the United States,” Pence wrote in a statement.

“As Americans, his candidacy means less attention paid to Joe Biden’s disastrous economic policies afflicting millions across the United States and to the pattern of corruption with Hunter,” Pence said, referring to Trump.

The indictment details how Pence became embroiled in Trump’s alleged plot to stay in office, which culminated in the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

In the couple of weeks leading up to Jan. 6,  Trump “directly pressured the Vice President to use his ceremonial role at the certification proceeding on January 6 to fraudulently overturn the results of the election, and the Vice President resisted,” the indictment reads, before listing several examples.

“We will restore a threshold of integrity and civility in public life so we can bring real solutions to the challenges plaguing our nation.”

[–] newbeni@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[–] d4rknusw1ld@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago
[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Even a dumpster fire provides warmth sometimes.