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Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) suggested Monday that Russian President Vladimir Putin has some sort of financial influence over former President Trump.

In an interview with MSNBC’s “Inside with Jen Psaki,” Pelosi said Putin is the “richest person in the world” and has “stiff competition” to being named the most evil person in the world.

Pelosi asked “what does he have on Donald Trump that he’d have to constantly be catering to Putin?”

Her comments came just after Trump doubled down on his criticism of NATO and said he would encourage Russia to attack U.S. allies who fail to reach the alliance’s defense spending goals. Trump has also declined to criticize Putin for the death of opposition leader Alexei Navalny in a Russian prison last week.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 248 points 9 months ago (80 children)

Jesus Christ, Democrats. Stop pussyfooting around with this shit. He's a traitor. He's a rapist. He wants to be a dictator. Putin controls him. Just come right out and say this shit.

I've said this already once today. Just say these words: "If you vote for Trump, you're voting for a rapist." And say it repeatedly.

They can't even do that! Fucking baffling.

[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 64 points 9 months ago (3 children)

"If you vote for Trump, you're voting for a rapist."

This didn't really work that first time.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 32 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Then nothing will work, but at least Dems can show some fucking spines instead of trying to compromise with traitors.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago (2 children)

But compromising with traitors is the best way to show progressives that traitors are better regarded by the party than they'll ever be.

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[–] Drusas@kbin.social 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That's the tactic the Democrats used in 2016 when they lost. It seemed like a slam dunk tactic to point out that anyone voting for Trump was voting for someone who commits sexual assault against women, but his voters ate it up.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Who fucking cares about his voters? The point is to motivate everyone else to vote and maybe catch undecided voters by showing a spine.

It didn't work in 2020 because Hilary's campaign focused on safe states instead of battleground states. The same thing worked in 2020 because Biden campaigned better. Both won the popular vote, but one didn't motivate where it mattered.

[–] suction@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

I agree a hundred percent but whoever is still not motivated to vote against Trump probably secretly roots for him.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Do you really think this weak-ass shit they're doing right now will work better?

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[–] gloss@discuss.tchncs.de 53 points 9 months ago (2 children)

A tape was released where he boasted about committing sexual assault. He bragged about grabbing them by the pussy. That tape came out like a month or two before the 2016 election. An October surprise that would have sunk any other candidate in the history of the USA. His fans did not care at all. Most of them probably cheered him on.

Rape? This is the party who think it's impossible to rape your own wife. Rape doesn't even exist to them.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

An October surprise that would have sunk any other candidate in the history of the USA.

It only sinks your campaign if your voter base disapproves of the behavior. Trump won a majority of white women voters. An outright majority. Think about that.

Our country is so fucking misogynist that white women will hear "real estate cretin grabs actress by her crouch just because he can" and reply "as is his right" as though he's a fucking 13th century aristocrat claiming prima nocta.

This is the real primal power of a fascist campaign. You're not bound by the rules. You are, in fact, rewarded for breaking them. And the more rules you can break without anyone stopping you, the more popular appeal you possess.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Rape doesn't exist to MAGA people. They will vote for Trump anyway. They are not who they should be trying to reach.

Do you think that it shouldn't be brought up?

[–] clgoh@lemmy.ca 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)
[–] kautau@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

And trump just sold nearly half a million dollars in cheap chinese shoes in half a day. Idiots are idiots. And the "representative" of the LLC that was just formed a month ago to sell these shoes is Andrew Pierce, of Cloud Peak Law (which seems to be distancing themselves from that name really quickly lol) https://wyomingllcattorney.com/About.

They are a tax evasion firm. https://www.offshorealert.com/wyoming-asset-protection-law-firm-cloud-peak-seeks-to-quash-irs-summons-for-danish-tax-investigation/

Trump may be an idiot. Or he may be somebody pretending to be an idiot. But his team isn't. They are excellent at convincing idiots that they are smart by supporting him.

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[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

But the civility. What will the donors think?

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Keep in mind the Trump v Biden election cycle hasn’t even started. September/October are going to be spicy.

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 54 points 9 months ago (11 children)

This kind of adroit aloofness to reality is why Democrats struggle so hard.

The easiest to punch opponents they'll ever have, but they wont take a meaningful swing.

Come out and full throatedly say that voting Republican in 2024 is anti-Democratic and fascist. Fight while we've still got a chance.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't help that she's accusing everyone of being paid off by Putin or the Chinese. The last ones she accused were pro-ceasefire activists because she can't imagine anyone would organically come to the conclusion that bombing babies is bad.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

She is herself full of Chinese influence

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[–] Landmammals@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago (3 children)

What does the CIA even do, if not investigate and handle exactly this situation?

[–] Rottcodd@kbin.social 32 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] GardenVarietyAnxiety@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Hahahaha 😆 (no /s)

[–] xtr0n@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They probably killed Kennedy and MLK but now they’ve lost their edge?

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

CIA loves to prop up tyrants. Kennedy and MLK were opposed to tyrants.

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[–] mellowheat@suppo.fi 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

I have no reason to think she's wrong here, but I also think people shouldn't be "suggesting" and "hinting at" these things. Instead, people should present the evidence to the prosecutors and let the man go to prison. You don't need any media circus for this to happen.

But then again, I guess everything is a presidential race now.

[–] BenadrylChunderHatch@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The problem is time. Trump doesn't need any more criminal charges to send him to jail, he just needs the courts to finish doing their job, which takes time.

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[–] Powerpoint@lemmy.ca 22 points 9 months ago (2 children)
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[–] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 9 months ago

Cool! Now are we gonna get any laws to prohibit this national security threat? Maybe ban shady donations from billionaires both American and abroad? Because if we just ban Putin from donating directly, they can just make a shell company in New York and fund him.

We're going to get the laws put into place to stop this, right? Anything to stop Trump from getting into the office again?

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

Next she's going to suggest Alphabet has financial influence over Google!

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

In other news the sun is hot.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

This is always said so dismissively. Like, even if everyone knows it, if it's still a problem it's a good idea to keep talking about it.

Better would be doing something about it, which she's not doing. But still.

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[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 14 points 9 months ago

NO FUCKING SHIT NANCY

[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I'm inclined to believe this. But I wouldn't dare repeat it without better journalistic integrity.

Any staunch political operative saying anything at all about their opponent should be treated like nothing at all had been said, much less as news.

This goes for literally every statement that comes off of Trump's mouth and fingers too.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Any staunch political operative saying anything at all about their opponent should be treated like nothing at all had been said, much less as news.

I mean, this statement would carry more weight from someone who wasn't the in Leadership for 30 years thanks entirely do to her prodigious fundraising abilities. For Nancy Pelosi, a woman who coordinated $37M from disgraced cryptocurrency con-artist Sam Bankman Fried in exchange for carte blanche legislative authorship, to complain about someone being financially influenced...

It isn't that she's wrong, its that - from Ted Cruz to Adam Schiff - getting fat stacks for your campaign / private business / family in exchange for influence over public policy is totally normal. Democrats are orders of magnitude more terrified of AIPAC than any MAGA Republican is of a Russian influence peddling campaign. And they're all bent over and cheeks spread to JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, and the rest of the mega-banks.

The only thing that makes this news is the national understanding that getting kickbacks from a billionaire psychopath in Saudi Arabia or Korea is cool and good but getting them from a National Enemy like Putin is unacceptable.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

I mean, there's a lot of evidence to support the accusation.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 months ago

What other evidence do you require? All of his very well documented deals in Russia are only allowed if the Kremlin approves the contracts. Trump personally profits directly from those deals and he refused to put his holdings into a blind trust, casually continuing to profit off of dealings with the enemy.

[–] snownyte@kbin.social 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Do these people have a multi-year brain lapse of this stuff? We suspected and had a good idea about this 4 years ago (and longer). And only now does Pelosi figure it out?

More reason to not have old farts around.

[–] rdyoung@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

What makes you think she just figured it out? Good chance she was asked to not confirm it/talk about it publicly for some reason or didn't feel like it was right do so. Why? No mother fucking clue (and I'm not defending her) but guaranteed people at the cia, fbi, etc have known about this for decades which would mean anyone with a security clearance probably knew as well.

Remember when we were the crazy conspiracy nut jobs because we "knew" russia helped get trump elected with a social media psy op campaign? Pepperidge farms remembers.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

And by "financial influence over" she means "has him by the balls"?

[–] ctkatz@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago

this is one of those things that are fairly obvious if you thought about it for a while even if there was no evidence to prove it. because, sure he is deferential to autocrat strongmen but it was to a different scale with putin.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

This just in: bears found to defecate in the woods.

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