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I am not old enough to give you the answer you are looking for, but i was a big doors fan while in college 15 years ago. from what i learned about jim and the doors, it seems that jim was kinda a narcissist and was deified by his untimely death. Imagine how society would view Kanye if he had died young, though that may be too tough on jim.
i am kinda embarrased to refer you to a bio pic, but i liked the val kilmer one from the 80s. You should watch it if you haven't.
Iβm old enough to remember the Doors.
Jim Morrison was a narcissist, his poetry and lyrics go from mediocre to bad, he wasnβt really that popular until years after he died.
You would hear a shortened version of βlight my fireβ on the radio now and then, but no one was really influenced by the Doors and no one really cared much about them.
This is just so, so, so wrong.
Light my fire was a #1 hit - back when that meant something. The album peaked at #2 in the US. They regularly sold out tour dates.
You may be βold enough to remember the doorsβ (whatever that means, we know you arenβt 75) but that isnβt a license to just make shit up to sound smart and cool.
The band (not Jim) was the talent for sure. But as someone who was born in '72, I did enter teen years viewing him as the personification of Dionysus (which he cultivated). As an adult, I have no doubt he was an insufferable ass. :)
I'm not old enough to remember him personally, but I do remember the 80s when FM Rock stations still played The Doors and Led Zeppelin incessantly. Back then, there was a syndicated radio show that -- for one episode -- broadcast interviews with the surviving band members. I distinctly remember the tone of voice (though not the exact words or quantity) of one of them saying, "I saw him take threee huuundred micrograms of acid" (at some location). Sounded angry and astounded just on the retelling. I think that's also where I heard bandmates talking about Jim pleading out to a possession charge and being required to do public service announcements instead of going to jail. He was a jerk about it. The PSAs were grouped as "Speed Kills" and he was supposed to hammer that home, but was ruining each take, saying things like (but not exactly cuz I don't remember), "Speed kills. Smoke pot, instead!"
From my personal view of his music, we had all The Doors albums in my house when I was growing up, so I'd heard them all. For reference, we also had Simon and Garfunkel, Joni Mitchell, some Beatles, Rolling Stones, and other stuff like that.
I think Jim Morrison had a tight band behind him and wrote some decent lyrics. I think 'Light my Fire' was over-played and other songs should have gotten more attention. I do, however, appreciate that each band member got to solo on that, and the song's greatest weakness is that those solos get cut for airplay. It isn't even that the solos deserve special attention, but the song is too short and repetitive without it.
Too young to have seen them live or anything, but Iβve heard plenty of stories. The one that sticks out most was about a show they did, I think in Orlando, FL (not the infamous one in Miami). Basically, Morrison was too out of it to perform, so Densmore wound up singing and killed it. This has affected my opinion of him greatly. Iβve always seen him as someone who couldβve been great, but was too selfish and too much of a narcissist to get to that level.
Piece of shit human being, but I like his cover of house of the rising sun
I thought it was really cool that he inspired Wayne Campbell to start Waynestock
The music performed by the band ranged from outstanding to utter pretentious twaddle. Imho the most interesting thing about The Doors was the 1991 film about the band. Val Kilmer play Morrison. The likeness was uncanny.
The impression you get is the guy went to excess and succeeded at being a dick. Shame really cos I genuinely like most of their tracks.
My old man liked the Doors, L.A. Woman is a great album for me each track on it rocks, though riders on the storm was overplayed on the classic rock station growing up in the 90's 2000's. He was very much a rebel in his days so the music lines up lol
TRY TO SET THE NIGHT ON
FIYUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhh
His music is enjoyable. A lot of his poetry can be listened to on the album "an american prayer." Music is pretty influential to many of the artists of the era and even up to the 90's. I'd say he is no better or worse then any other over hyped "musical genius" icon that you'd see on the walls of college dorm rooms all across America.
I live real close to the house he lived in when he was a kid. There's even a "Riders on the Storm Inn" here in town... π I don't know a lot about the man that he was and I'm too young to have seen The Doors play, though I really enjoy "People Are Strange," and a few other songs of theirs. I'm glad he found a way out of this place, though, even if it was only for a short time.
I don't think he's associated with the youth anymore lol
You're wrong, he is!
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I grew up in the late 70s early 80s as a big alternative music fan
Literally nobody I knew liked The Doors. Very much a product of their time, as in, there wasn't much else to listen to, so being slightly different was cool.
Utterly eclipsed by, for example, Pink Floyd and, to an extent, Led Zeppelin at the time
Slightly different? The first time I heard The Doors I was captivated by what seemed to me the weirdest music I had ever heard. I grew up in the same era as you and have a completely different perspective. Art is all perspective.
Anyone interested in him should read the groupie memoir I'm With The Band by Pamela Des Barres. Great book.
https://archives.waiting-forthe-sun.net/Pages/Players/Women/des_barres.html
My mom's creepy boyfriends liked The Doors. I associate that with Morrison. Creepy old men.
I enjoy some of his music. And respect following he created.
You should take a look at his drawings, search a little for those. Example: https://www.gottahaverockandroll.com/jim_morrison_original_pencil_drawing_circa_1957-lot7524.aspx
http://quotingjimbo.blogspot.com/2011/12/jim-morrisons-drawing-from-high-school.html?m=1
By that and other information, sounds to me like he had hard childhood and unhappy life.
Information about him is not as easy to just find, but biography might be interesting read.
I'm still kind of pissed that I wasn't on that Crystal Ship he alluded to.
I went to his grave, it's in an amazing graveyard that's worth exploring regardless. He made sweet music but he's a pretty flawed human being... I'm happy to celebrate the culture he's been associated with though.
It seems that being a flawed person comes with the territory of being a genius, especially in the arts
Nope - it doesn't, but there is a fair amount of overlap.
I'd say it's more accurate (but still not precisely correct) to say that desiring fame is a reflection of an insecurity - most people who rabidly chase publicity have deep personal flaws (but not all - fame is a price not a reward if you accept fame to enact social change that's a reasonable exchange... fame for fame's sake is dumb).
Lots of geniuses aren't famous and those guys are usually pretty alright. There might be some correlation with some social disorders but we don't have any good studies on that.
I have long suspected that the process of becoming famous can cause a lot of problems in itself. One theory holds that you become mentally stuck at the age when you first obtained it, Michael Jackson being one example.
Its a bit of a chicken and the egg question; do actors become insecure from the conditions in the industry, or are insecure people drawn to acting?
In regards to genius dysfunction, there may be an unconscious bias that you don't know as much about the lives of non-famous geniuses (as they're not famous), so they don't appear as flawed. Nikola Tesla was pretty spicy though, I believe.
Just some bozo really
I'll answer with an analogy; A hammer can be used to build things, or to destroy things. Morrison appears to have preferred destroying things.