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    [–] Delta_V@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    The problem with RTFM is that TFM often does not cover the problem, and broader knowledge of the OS is required. You can't expect every app to come with a manual that covers how the entire OS works, but that knowledge is often required to get work done in Linux.

    People familiar with the guts of Linux or Windows will encounter these kinds of outside-the-instructions problems and know from experience what arcane setting to change or what 3rd party software needs to be installed before the procedures written in the manual will work as expected.

    IMO, the Windows GUI lowers the bar to begin trial-and-error learning and makes the learning process faster.

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    [–] XEAL@lemm.ee 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Somethings are more complicated, others less and some others more entertaining if you like tinkering.

    [–] casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works 15 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    That's Linus of LTT in the top

    "WhY iS pAcKaGe MaNaGeMeNt So HaRd" my brother in Christ you got one broken Deb that was packaged and provided for free by someone other than the vendor, the vendor provides their own installer you could have used that wouldn't have had the issue. You could have also used a flatpak. You were literally offered three ways to install the software on any operating system you could choose, and you gave up after the marginally simplest one failed and you were too lazy to troubleshoot it.

    The donkey doesn't even know the first thing about package management or any part of the build process, and has no right whatsoever to talk about it as if the maintainers of the stack are to blame.

    /rant fuck that self-absorbed short stack sponge

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    [–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

    The great thing about Linux is if something has weird behavior and you're already exhausted all possible options to solve it, it is still possible to figure it out on your own because the source code is available.

    I still don't know how windows people figure out how to fix such and such problems on windows with some registry entries. Did they ask a Microsoft employee, or did they mess around with the registry blindly until it's magically fixed?

    [–] lemmyingly@lemm.ee 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Not everyone is a developer, but the vast majority of people use Windows. When an issue arises, it's easier for a non-programmer to search for help than look at code.

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    [–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Windows is the much more difficult OS AFAIK. Even something simple like having keyboard focus follow mouse is a giant pain and doesn't work well (pop up dialogs can be painful). I hate windows and managed to mostly avoid it until I switched jobs in 2017.

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    [–] sederx@programming.dev 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    ltt is so cringe for all things linux and on reddit they are seen as the messia of linux WTF is even happening

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    [–] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

    I think both Windows and Linux are scary when you want to exactly fits you need.

    In using linux I started to know what is a DE, kernel, kernel argument, GRUB, systemd, selinux, etc. and I am the person that want to learn NOTHING about my OS, they just unfortunately pops up during troubleshooting.

    So is Windows, device manager, ipconfig, registry table, chocolatey, cmd vs powershell, WSL, and many more. But I would say, if you don't care about bloat and ads, and are willing to make stupid compromises, like copy a email to a notepad, so you can see it while drafting a new email. Windows might breaks slightly less often than linux depending on your hardware. But that doesn't mean Windows don't break, in fact Windows broke just in the first linux challenge video.

    For Linus's experiment, I don't really think it is a fair comparison between Linux and Windows. No one is going to learn a OS in a month, and expect to have the ability to not harm themselves, not on Windows not on Linux not on macOS.

    But it does serve as a good simulation of a busy Windows enthusiast moving to linux. Personally, I don't think this should be the only criteria to judge the linux eco system, but it is a important criteria, and linux has many things they can improve in this regard (and they are indeed improving).

    However, popOS installer for steam breaking DE is a legitimately rare event, and it happens to the most popular tech youtuber is even more rare...

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    [–] lemmyingly@lemm.ee 10 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Interestingly, I like to keep my network connected devices up to date. Why would I disable that on any OS?

    For me, candy crush et al was never installed on my Windows computers by default, both on home and pro versions. There were install shortcuts, but never the actual programs themselves.

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    [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I haven't watched LTT for quite a while. A lot of his videos entertained me, but the guy himself...

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