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Ukraine DISAPPEARS U.S. Journalist For Criticizing Zelensky! (www.youtube.com)

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A Chilean journalist, Gonzalo Lira, who had been living in Ukraine, was arrested by the Security Service of Ukraine on suspicion of pro-Russian sympathies and criticizing the government. He had been detained before in April, released, and then rearrested for voicing views critical of the West and Ukraine's government. He faced torture while imprisoned, then managed to post bail but decided to flee to Hungary for political asylum. He believed the Ukrainian government was setting him up to be arrested again. He went missing after attempting to cross the Ukrainian-Hungarian border. The situation highlighted concerns about free speech and the treatment of dissenters in Ukraine.

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[-] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 46 points 3 years ago

No sources listed, selling a bunch of crap in the links below the video, first screen I see has the RT watermark.
What's with tinfoil hats and !worldnews@lemmy.ml

[+] Veritas@lemmy.ml -39 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

You are never going to see something like this reported on reputable brainwashing propaganda outlets, like BBC, CNN, etc. I don't know how people still believe those sources. Wake up!

[-] FranklinsBeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 3 years ago

Grow up, tankie

[+] Veritas@lemmy.ml -13 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

Grow up, tankie

— @FranklinsBeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com

I thought of this hearing you use the word tankie to describe someone sharing their opinion. Everyone you don't agree with is a tankie am I right?

I think you might want to make sure you don’t follow me.

Because your “woke communist propaganda” comment makes me think you’re a moron of the first order.

I strongly suspect I am one of those “woke communists” you worry about. But you probably couldn’t actually explain what either of those words actually mean, could you?

I’m a card-carrying atheist, I think a woman’s right to choose is very important, I think that “well regulated militia” means that guns should be carefully licensed and not just randomly given to any moron with a pulse, and I couldn’t care less if you decided to dress up in the “wrong” clothes or decided you’d rather live your life without feeling tied to whatever plumbing you were born with.

And dammit, if that all makes me “woke”, then I think anybody who uses that word as a pejorative is a f*cking disgrace to the human race. So please just unfollow me right now.

— Linus Torvalds

[-] Stench5692@artemis.camp 21 points 3 years ago

You're probably being called a tankie because you're posing Russian propaganda and acting like daddy vladdy's media is somehow better than western media. It's hilarious that you think you're more informed when your video is using media from unapologetic liars (and that's also a good description of Dore himself).

You can call Western media liars and propagandists, but if you're posing Russian media unironically while doing so, no one is going to pay attention to your opinion because it's clearly uninformed and entirely pants on head.

[-] jwiggler@sh.itjust.works -4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

It's really not pants on head. The Western propaganda machine immediately crucifies anyone saying anything bad about Ukraine. War crimes in Donbas? "You're trying to undermine the Ukraine cause!" The US helped engineer a regime change in Ukraine in 2014 that resulted in civil war? "But they're democratic now!" (By the way, see the parallels to Iraq there?) NATO, which was once thought defunct after the fall of the Soviet Union, building bases on Russian border? "Well, they're authoritarian and need to be contained!"

Well, Russia felt threatened and took the bait and invaded Ukraine (not justified, by the way. Still wrong.) And now, how many billions of dollars are going to the Ukraine war effort from the US? And you cant say a bad thing about Ukraine without being vilified as a Putinist.

I mean, someone the other day told me "the only anti-war stance is to send more weapons to Ukraine so they can end this war faster." What? That's like saying "the only way to end the conflict in Vietnam is to send the southern Vietnamese more troops so they can destroy the northern communists faster." Nah, an anti-war position is leaving Ukraine to defend themselves.

For the US, this is not aiding a democratic country against an authoritarian regime. If this were really about democracy vs authoritarianism, we'd be sending weapons to Palestine against the authoritarian state of Israel. But since Israel is a useful tool under our thumb, that's not going to happen. This is a proxy war that we wanted so that the people can have an easy person to hate (just like in the middle east), justified in the name of "democracy" (pro-western government US helped install, also like Middle East), and furthered by billions and billions of dollars worth of weapons and aid packages, paid to defense firms like BAE and Raytheon.

I don't think ukraine can win this war and take back all their territory, including Crimea. And that's good for the US, because war is profitable and having an adversarial country like Russia (for Republicans, it's China) is politically advantageous.

Edit: BTW, this is not all to say that the OP is true. I've not been able to verify the veracity of the disappearance of this journalist, the most reputable source being https://twitter.com/MarkSleboda1/status/1686619514211868672?s=20 who reports from a Russia PoV. I think it's important to maintain that Russian PoV =/= Russian propaganda, but still important to be skeptical.

[-] IRQBreaker@lemmy.kozow.com 5 points 3 years ago

I think you are on the wrong Lemmy instance. I (we) are not interrested in reading about Putins version of the truth here. I think Lemmygrad has users that shares your worldview.

[-] Veritas@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 years ago

Oh really? Please provide a source.

As far as I know

This is an Antifa instance

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All you fascists are bound to lose.

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[-] bloopernova@programming.dev 20 points 3 years ago

He was reporting on Ukrainian military positions to the russians.

Funny how that gets left out.

[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago

If he did that why did they let him back out on bail?

[-] Veritas@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 years ago

If that's true why aren't the mainstream propaganda outlets all over this story to make the Russians look bad?

[+] taanegl@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[-] Veritas@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

The bootlickers are the ones who believe everything that the elite tells them through the mainstream propaganda outlets.

At least I'm looking at alternative sources.

[-] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 16 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

Oh wow a TikTok and YouTube video. Irrefutable proof that everything you say must be true and factual. 🙄

Can you explain why your title reads "U.S. journalist" yet the very first line of the article states "Chilean journalist?" Why does your link contain material directly from Russian state media? You claim that US media are pushing lies, but how does that have any bearing on whether your link is true? Sounds like someone needs to redo their Propaganda101 course. Good luck, comrade!

[-] Veritas@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

The TikTok video appears to be more well-researched than most of the current reporting.

The summary is AI generated. You need to hear both Russian and US propaganda if you want to be able to know the truth about the war. The link doesn't have to be true, you have to do your own due diligence by gathering as much information as possible and sifting through it if you want to reach the truth. This is just a piece of the puzzle. I don't know why someone so critical of Russia would say comrade.

Edit: a dual citizen of the United States and Chile, who has been living in Kharkiv

[-] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 0 points 3 years ago

So you admit that your post is Russian propaganda and that it doesn't matter if it's true or not because you have to read a bunch of propaganda to find the truth? That makes zero sense. Hearing propaganda repeated from different sources doesn't lead you to the truth whatsoever.

[-] Veritas@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

It's as much propaganda as any news from the US mainstream propaganda outlets like BBC, CNN, CBS. They aren't trying to inform you, they are misleading you into believing whatever they want you to believe. So to find the truth you need to see things from different perspectives and figure it out for yourself.

[-] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

What do the BBC, CNN, and CBS have to do with the authenticity of your post here on Lemmy?

Funny how you say your post is equivalent to CNN or CBS and then immediately say the intention of those companies is to deceive people, which implies that this is your intention as well. You're saying the quiet part out loud.

[-] Veritas@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

I'm not saying it about the post though, that's your interpretation. I'm saying RT is as much a propaganda outlet as BBC, CNN, CBS, etc. So do not believe them outright, do your own due diligence.

[-] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 1 points 3 years ago

But the RT content is your post and you've been defending it with little more than whataboutism about 'western media being propaganda.' What due diligence have you done here? Seems like you only believe it to be true because you want to believe it's true otherwise you would be using facts and reasoning to make an argument rather than linking to TikTok videos about how corrupt CNN is.

[-] Stench5692@artemis.camp 11 points 3 years ago

Your mind is so open your brain fell out, and now you're posting bootlicking propaganda for an authoritarian waging a genocidal war.

You're a fucking joke bud.

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[-] Peetipablo@kbin.social 9 points 3 years ago

Nice, first time using the 'block user' button.

[-] Octospider@lemmy.one 9 points 3 years ago

Jimmy Dore, a man who has publically admitted he will say anything for the highest bidder. I'll never believe a word he says about anything.

[-] Veritas@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago

The Duran — Gonzalo Lira seeks political asylum in Hungary

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[-] EnderWi99in@kbin.social 8 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

Veritas... Where do I know that name? Yeah, OK. Report for misinformation.

[-] culpritus@hexbear.net 8 points 3 years ago

https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/23512-detaining-gonzalo-lira-another-blow-to-the-freedom-of-press-in-ukraine.html

Reporting about his arrest in May.

[-] Nerorero@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 years ago

Fucking Veritas lmao

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[-] Haus@kbin.social 1 points 3 years ago

Discussion of conspiracy theories
In May 2017, Dore discussed conspiracy theories on the murder of Seth Rich on his show.[40][41] According to Salon, Dore continued to insist that there were "a lot of red flags" and there was "probably something more to this story" after the source of much of the conspiracy theory was discredited.[42] In December 2020, an article in New York magazine said Dore's discernment was questionable, due in part to his "promotion of conspiracy theories implicating the Democratic National Committee (DNC) in Seth Rich's death".[43]

In 2017, Dore argued that the chemical weapons attack on the opposition-held town of Khan Sheikhun was likely to have been a "false flag", orchestrated by groups opposed to Bashar al-Assad.[44] The investigative journalism site Bellingcat reported that Dore received $2,500 from the Association for Investment in Popular Action Committees in 2017. The Association is responsible for the Serena Shim Award and is described by Bellingcat as a pro-Assad lobby group.[44] According to Bellingcat, Dore featured Eva Bartlett in "another 2017 conspiracy-theory segment" about Syria.[44]

In 2018, according to Stephen Shalom writing in New Politics, Dore cited an op-ed which quoted US Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis out of context as saying that he did not have evidence that the nerve agent sarin was used in Syria.[45] Mattis, speaking in a press conference in February 2018, had been referring to recent reports when he said he did not have evidence of sarin use, adding that Assad's government had "been caught using" sarin during the Obama administration and "used it again during our administration".[45]

[-] Coskii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 years ago

Ah yes, the Chilean united states of America journalist.

Is this story legit? No idea. Can I believe it? Absolutely. And I can do so without giving a damn. A country at war for no fault of their own is going to have a strong amount of nationalism and dissenters living within it could very much get disappeared. Whether it's from Ukrainian propaganda, or just the will of the people, dissenters tend to vanish.

[-] Akasazh@feddit.nl 1 points 3 years ago

In veritas, vino.

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