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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 96 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Went to a pub in Reykjavik.

English Brother-in-law had finally decided to learn the language after like 15 years of living there. Had just about learned enough to order the drinks and have a basic conversation.

He orders slowly. The barman looks increasingly perplexed. He finishes and looks up, proud of his first real test of Icelandic.

"Sorry mate, I dunno what you're saying" says the barman in a thick Australian accent.

Honestly, just try English. Most small European countries speak it better than we do.

[–] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

Lol I have a similar problem, I'm from Iceland but I don't live there anymore, so whenever I go back I try to enjoy the novelty of speaking my native language as much as possible. Trouble is, almost every service worker downtown doesn't even speak Icelandic lol

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[–] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 85 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I never understood the "ugh you're trying to speak my language, I don't feel like listening to you butcher it" that some countries get.

Like every time a coworker bitches about how they can't understand a warehouse worker because of their heavy accent, the fuck do you expect them to do, not try to talk at all? (the real answer is usually "hurrrr go back tuh where dey came frum") but you're gonna sit there, butchering the language you use every single day by the way you speak and how you spell, while they're in a country they likely did not grow up in, and are learning the language still. If they don't converse, they have a harder time improving. If you truly cared about understanding them, you would talk to them more.

Anecdote time: one of the forklift drivers was fairly new when I started last year. She's a social butterfly. Comes over to ask how we're all doing, asks how my wife is, how coworkers kids are, how our weeks are going. She moved here from Puerto Rico, and barely has an accent anymore. It's definitely there and you can place it, but 0 problem understanding every word.

A couple guys started just after I did, and they stand around the compactor all day where it's too noisy to talk, and nobody voluntarily goes near. They still have very broken speech and heavy accents. They've been going out to clean things recently so I try to strike up conversations but they don't seem too social when they're working.

I have no way of knowing what these people do outside of work, but if inside is any indicator, being social and talking goes a long way to improving speech in any given language.

So maybe don't go "that's cute. Stop trying." instead go "hey cool, but if you're up for some constructive criticism..." and be helpful. Or shut the fuck up.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 37 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I'm ethnically Chinese/Vietnamese but raised in the UK/Canada and basically have only had a really crap grasp of Chinese. So I've been actively trying to learn. The number of fucking Chinese people that tell me to shut up or that I sound stupid is insane. These aren't even random Chinese neither, it's my fucking friends. Some of these people speak English with a shit accent. I've never made of theirs and I just lightly correct their word usage (like if they're missing a word or something). How the hell am I supposed to get better?

Three years ago I said screw it and went with doing Duolingo with YouTube video support. I can now read and "write" (use pinyin) but speaking is poor because nobody wants to talk to me despite me having a lot of Chinese friends. Not gonna stop though. I'm starting to pay for tutors but this feels so silly because the point of me learning was to connect with my Chinese heritage. I should have picked up french instead.

[–] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Should've learned Vietnamese

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[–] HeapOfDogs@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

I wanted to share a quick story, but it's intention is not to excuse bad behavior. I speak two languages very well. One of the languages is relatively uncommon and I have only ever heard it spoken by native speakers. Recently I was at an event and am American told me they learned this language. I'm like that's cool as hell, let's hear. What came out of their mouth shorted out my brain and my brain refused to answer them in anything other than English.

I have no rational explanation of what occurred inside of my head. My partner actually asked me why I didn't respond back in the same language and I had no answer.

[–] SonnyVabitch@lemmy.world 72 points 8 months ago (4 children)

French is too generalised, in my experience.

Paris, they'll pretend they don't understand neither your English nor your 100 words of French.

Towns in the country, you meet indifferent professionalism and you kinda get by in English.

Rural areas, you encounter the greatest of enthusiasm for your knowledge of the local language, and just as well, because those 100 words are all you can rely on for the entire duration of your stay.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 27 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If you go to Normandy, they'll practically give you a BJ just for showing up!

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

their still excited over that beach party we threw in the 40s

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[–] khannie@lemmy.world 53 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Any attempt by a foreigner to speak "cúpla focail" (a few words) of Irish to me has been incredibly well received. It's usually Americans actually and their pronunciation is terrible, because Irish sounds nothing like it's spelled when compared to the usual latin alphabet sounds, but fair fucks to them. I appreciate it very much.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] khannie@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

Close enough, you glorious demigod. ❤️

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 50 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I once tried to order some drinks in a noisy bar in France. I thought I was explaining it ok but was not being understood by the girl behind the bar. It got really awkward and was making me seriously question my French (I'm English). Eventually it turned out that she was Irish and had equal but opposite holes in her own French. We had a good laugh about it and spoke in English thereafter.

Had she been Scottish tho we probably would have still been better off speaking in French.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I backed into someone in a crowded bar in Sapporo and said excuse me in Japanese and heard the same thing behind me. We both turned around at the same time and saw we were both foreigners.

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[–] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 46 points 8 months ago (10 children)

Yeah I lived in Germany and speaking German was not encouraged. In France, they pretended they didn't speak English and ignored you if you spoke in broken French.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 25 points 8 months ago

Hahaha this was my experience. I can hold very light conversations in Québec French like to ask directions, how's it going, ordering tickets and food and the like. I've gotten a few stares like I'm a mythical swampbeast who just awoke from a 100 year slumber.

[–] Bye@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Also my experience in French-speaking parts of Belgium.

I had a guy in a chip shop give me the nastiest scowl after ordering in french out of the phrase book.

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[–] Godric@lemmy.world 44 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The prejudice against learning French only applies to the French, not the lovely people they brutally conquered in Africa.

I was once at a party with a group of gentlemen from the Ivory Cost, and saying "Côte d'Ivoire? Bonjour, je m'apalle Godriq, Comment se va?" after they introduced themselves made us best friends for the evening, even through they were initially surprised and very mildly disappointed I was not a Frenchman, as my grasp of the language was those few well-pronounced phrases.

Still, a great night with them from what I remember, great people, great amounts of booze, and a great amount of French learned!

[–] BreadOven@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago

Even Canadian (Quebecoise) French isn't received too well in France. Someone told my friend (Quebecoise) in France that they spoke "Barbarian French".

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Ive heard from a few different tourists who went to places like Italy and South and Centeral American countries, and aparently often times people there want to practice their english which can cause quite the funny scene where you're both speaking each others language poorly at one another.

[–] PostingInPublic@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago

That's actually one of the best ways to learn a language short of full immersion, we call it a tandem!

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[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 36 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Nah... Germans won't switch to English unless the German used is so bad that they can't understand lt

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago

It's been 20 years since I was there, but people would see me, an obvious foreigner, and approach me to speak English. It happened pretty much everywhere I went. Before I even said a word, I'd be addressed in English. If I responded in German, they'd respond right back in English.

Not that I'm complaining. I only knew like 100 words in German. Just thought it was an interesting trend.

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[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 35 points 8 months ago (2 children)

France: ohhhh un Québécois! Tabernacle!

[–] mihnt@lemy.lol 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)
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[–] mPony@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

but if you're Acadien they looooove you, as they should, because Les Acadiens know how to party.

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 31 points 8 months ago (4 children)

With night mode active those colors all look the same. I wish there were more colors than blue and a bunch of shades or red.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago

So you're saying it needs more shades of red

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[–] ClamDrinker@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Dutch people's reaction is probably more of a combination of blue and pink ("Congrats, that's cute, but why'd you put yourself through this? We can just speak English"), but most people will actually appreciate the effort and go through with speaking in Dutch if you insist.

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[–] HappyRedditRefugee@lemm.ee 28 points 8 months ago (11 children)

My experience in Germany is quite the oposit, they don't wanna talk in english and will entretain your broken german unless they literally can't unterstand you.

Even in the street I am approached in german and "I do not look german" at all.

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Granted I was only in Berlin for two weeks, but all but two people I interacted with didn't immediately switch to English if they had something to say beyond the transaction. (A bus driver and a currywurst seller, who seemed genuinely annoyed that I was a tourist)

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[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Since youtube's algorithm started feeding me videos of multi-linguists running around and speaking lots of languages in various contexts, this seems accurate.

Here's one of them: https://youtu.be/CGi5W-gG-vs

Oh, and East Asia is mostly all colored red, especially if your pronunciation is good.

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[–] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

As an American who learned German, this is very accurate for the krautistanis.

[–] AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Until you get to a certain point, and then every German turns into your 10th grade German teacher .

I hadn't spoken German in 9 years, and the help desk lady at the airport told me if I don't practice I won't get better. At the airport.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 24 points 8 months ago

Here in the states whenever I butcher Spanish to Spanish speakers they are actually quite happy lmao

[–] Railison@aussie.zone 18 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Britain and Ireland be like “what else would you speak to me in?”

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[–] graeghos_714@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The biggest problem I've had learning basic language skills is people talk back to you and they don't typically say what's in the learning material. I've kind of made it seem like I understand if I speak the language and I kind of feel like an idiot looking back at them with a blank face when they speak it back to me. But I sucked in school with languages and chose to learn a dead one to get the language credit to graduate.

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It's not that much of a problem in France once you get out of Paris and Lyon

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[–] TheControlled@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

Ive traveled to all those areas to one extent or another and I've never seen a more accurate joke meme in my life.

[–] dlpkl@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

Anecdotally I went to Paris in the offseason and the locals were some of the nicest out of any country I visited on that trip. My French is shit but they tried so hard to work with me lol.

[–] underscore_@sopuli.xyz 12 points 8 months ago

I was confused for a moment why the purple regions don’t appear in the legend then I realised those are mostly populated by fish

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Literally cannot tell the difference between two of these colors.... Why?

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago (3 children)
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[–] IHateFacelessPorn@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's either you have a really bad display or try doing this test: https://colormax.org/color-blind-test/

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The test won't help if they're viewing it on the same bad display

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