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As more and more articles and interviews come out about spez and how he's inspired by how Musk running Twitter, I genuinely can't believe he's this stupid. Anyone else think that we could see a repeat of what happened with Ellen Pao when all the gate subreddits were banned? All of these quotes from Spez are coming out, and the hate over the changes is directed at him, and blamed on him almost more than on all the admins, or the board. "Fuck spez" has become the slogan for opposing the changes at this point.

I won't be surprised if the board removes him at the 11th hour, and reduces the api costs to a level that the biggest apps (Apollo, RIF) will be able to keep operating, but may not allow for new apps to compete.

Anyone else think we could see it blow over like this?

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[–] LostCause@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago

You know that saying: "Don‘t attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence."

I think with rich people there is often some assumption that they‘re generally competent because they are rich, so what looks like stupidity on their part could be some grandiose plan.

I don‘t think so, because I think for most of them they simply got lucky and that is why they are rich, so they are just as capable of stupidity as the average person.

[–] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 25 points 1 year ago

No. He's made comments praising Elon's "cost savings" at Twitter. I think he's a petulant child who's emulating an idiot.

[–] minnieo@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago

i have the same questions

[–] Rhaedas@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago

Too late. If he had done what was expected and walk back the prices, worked with the Apollo dev and others, the going dark protests and this migration might not have ever happened, and Redditors would have just sighed and kept doing their thing. He tripled down, has been continuing to do so, and so regardless of what happens to him the damage is deep, no matter how long Reddit keeps a large user base.

[–] webghost0101@lemmy.fmhy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

Isnt he supposedly one of the of the original creators? Doesnt seem like the person to purposely make a fallguy… unless hes dumb and corpos thought him to be a liability because he moderated the jail bait sub… which the more i think of it.. the workers that tend to judgd offensive content on Facebook/apple/google… if they used to be normal they arent be anymore.

[–] killjoy@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

u/spez the long time moderator of r/jailbait?

[–] lp0101@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Look, i dislike Spez as much as the next guy, but this has been disproven plenty of times. He was added as a mod back when you could just be added without having to accept the position.

Let's talk about all the positive coverage he gave to the creator of jailbait, creepshots, and other similar subreddits, going so far as to give him a unique "Pimp Daddy" flair

[–] BedSharkPal@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't think Musk could be this stupid either though. I keep trying to find ways that he's playing 4D chess, but come up empty handed each time.

[–] JonEFive@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I half believe that he's a time traveler and has seen the future. In that future, Twitter lead to significant damage to human population as a whole, and that the only way Elon can save the future is by destroying Twitter and driving it into the ground until it becomes 4chan 2.0

[–] hawdini@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hang on, if we (and by we, I mean those that still have Reddit accounts) will be able to vote out mods, why not demand that we have the ability to vote out the board too? They want more democracy? They should extend that to the whole of the platform. Seems reasonable to me.

[–] aarmea@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It would be a very interesting IPO if every Redditor received shares proportional to their karma.

[–] explodingkitchen@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

I... don't really care? This isn't Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Saying that spez has been sacked ain't gonna fix things.

[–] Skyler@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Board and Investors want a big IPO - that is their goal. Charging developers for API access was one tactic to help clean up the books in service of the big IPO.

But in pursuing the API pricing so aggressively, Spez has put Reddit in a negative light in the press. He's driven users to other platforms. And he has continued to poke and prod at the userbase to the ultimate harm of Reddit. The value that would have been gained from charging API access pales in comparison to the value that has been lost over the last couple weeks.

The money people want their money, and Spez has reduced the amount of money they will be receiving.

[–] freebrick@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Enjoy the Federation, fuck Reddit ownership.

[–] ulu_mulu@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was thinking the same.

I mean, he's not Musk, he can't afford to just spit crap all day like he's doing, any "sane" company would have closed his mouth long ago and let PR people talk in his place.

So why the company is letting him do that? To get all the heat and then fire him as a scapegoat? Very possible.

I just hope people won't buy it this time, one Ellen Pao is enough.

[–] Lanmanager@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Does Reddit actually have a BOD? I thought it was just technically Steven Newhouse in control, if not effectively. If Advance Publications is still majority owner, I wonder if he is even aware of everything going down there since Reddit would be such a small part of that empire..

[–] WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think these rich guys are exactly as dumb as they seem. I think wealth has absolutely zero to do with intellect. I think people continually attribute these '4d chess' moves to these guys, or claim they are victims of 'shadowy cabals' because they can't accept that people with so much power can really be that simple, greedy, and dangerous.

[–] tinyzimmer@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I won't be surprised if the board ousts him over the PR mess he has created in the wake of this. But I highly doubt you can compare the two so closely. The board wants money and is presenting him with strategies. The dude is the CEO and is acting on those recommendations on his own accord. All the earmarks of a tech CEO who has finally drank too much of his own kool-aid. If anything I could see Ellen Pao being entirely his doing - and this is some weird cosmic force of karma coming back for revenge.

[–] abff08f4813c@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I cannot find it now but I recall reading recently (during the start of the blackout) how spez thought reddit wasn't so good, and wanted to sell out while he still had a chance. So that's how reddit got sold to Condo Naste or Advanced Publications or whoever owns reddit now.

Then spez latter regretted it seeing reddit's value go up. So this IPO is his second change to get that payout.

I think spez is in control here, and these are his wishes. But yeah, leaving soon after IPO isn't unlikely - spez would have gotten his payout by then, so, yeah.

[–] Uriel238@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Well Musk absolutely was this stupid. We has content moderation experts lay out in specific detail how not to fuck Twitter up. And he totally fucked Twitter up in the way we were warned would happen.

I think these guys are just so far removed from us normies as to have no context how or why their companies

[–] p3aNut@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

does it really matter what is behind tbe curtains? What we are presented is a shitty ceo and crappy company. Trying to create a story without any basis is presumptious and only divides the people further.

[–] Pilirin@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

i honestly don't give a fuck. no way i'm going back no matter who they put in charge

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