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[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 113 points 6 months ago (11 children)

Yes, no shit. That was the outlook from day 1.

The Russian Army is largely represented as a bunch of baffoons in the Western media, but it's still one of the 3 largest armies in the world. Ukraine cannot hold their lines indefinitely, the only way to "win" against an opponent that has multiple times your materiel available is guerilla.

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[–] lemmytellyousomething@lemmy.dbzer0.com 96 points 6 months ago (44 children)

The free world loses when Russia wins.

It's pretty much an invitation to China to do the same in Taiwan and an invitation for Russia to start more wars in eastern Europe.....

Helping Ukraine costs money. Not helping Ukraine costs even more.

[–] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Does the free world also include places America has invaded or bombed?

[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 30 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Japan, SK, and Germany seem on board with aid to Ukraine... So yes

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[–] Alsjemenou@lemy.nl 84 points 6 months ago (21 children)

People in this thread clearly don't understand what the implications are. There is a very clear danger of war on the European continent that will involve NATO and by proxy the US. Aid for Ukraine is the absolute cheapest option. Europe is not going to just let Ukraine fall and will ramp up their involvement. We already have France willing to send troops.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

the US is already involved by proxy

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[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 83 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago (6 children)

They so desperately want their own version of Putin in the US. Where they get to kill their political opponents when they like.

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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 69 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Biden frantically sends more aid to israel

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[–] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 62 points 6 months ago (14 children)

It is a bad idea to trust and rely on Ameeica. Some Afgans learned this lesson in 2021, the same is happening to Ukraine now.

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 39 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Arcturus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 6 months ago (10 children)

Gaddafi's is just sad. Such a terrible decision to give up their nuclear deterrence and trust western governments.

Nukes are why the DPRK hasn't been invaded again, and why it hasn't ended up Libya is now.

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 16 points 6 months ago (21 children)

Ukraine gave up their nukes in exchange for peace with Russia, then got invaded by Russia.

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[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 37 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

nice job america, now in addition to everything else, you've lost a war you weren't even fighting in. Fuck yeah!

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[–] pelikan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Definately NOT proxy cannon fodder

[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 21 points 6 months ago (9 children)

Countries will get fed up of sending aid to Ukraine long before Russia decides to return its annexed territories. We're already seeing signs of that.

If NATO isn't willing to go in and force the Russians out themselves, I fail to see how this war is anything but a net gain for Russia. They will just sit back and let their "new territories" become more and more Russified.

To me, the aid is just a delaying tactic to allow Ukraine to continue fighting until the west can figure out a way to accept that Ukraine has lost its territories without losing face.

It's a shit show, but I don't share the optimism that a lot of people have for a Ukrainian victory. It's like a game of chess, and it's currently Ukraine/NATOs turn, because the Russians are already dug in.

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[–] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

Ukraine is already losing and unless something crazy happens they will lose.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

That's why Congress doesn't want to send more aid.

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[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago

Can't wait until this shit is over so that all the shit-for-brains boomers finally take down all their stupid flags.

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