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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 36 points 7 months ago (45 children)

It's a really childish view of what voting is supposed to be. No, Biden isn't everything you want, but Trump is a DUMPSTER FIRE who will actively make your life WORSE.

So your choice is:

  1. Vote for Biden
  2. Don't vote, and elect Trump
  3. Vote 3rd party and elect Trump
  4. Vote for Trump
[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Ok, and? What's your plan to get people that are barely removed from actually being children to vote more? It's easy to come up with a reason why each segment of non-voters is making a dumb and self-destructive choice by not doing their patriotic duty to elect the better leader, but like, we still need them to vote. Elections are won on turning out unreliable voters.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The only real plan, unfortunately, is experience. They failed to learn the lesson from 4 years of Trump, if the country survives another 4 years maybe they'll think better next time.

"Oh, shit, I totally should have voted!"

Yeah, ya think?

The best things we can do now are too late for '24:

  1. Push for universal vote by mail in ALL states. It eliminates the barriers to voting and increases participation.

  2. Get ranked choice balloting in ALL states. Alaska is embarrassing the rest of us.

Just getting those two things would go a long way to permanently remove Republicans from power... which is why they won't do them voluntarily.

[–] Furedadmins@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Those things are too late for 2048 even.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Yup. That prefrontal cortex thing. Sadly, many people way past adolescence never seem to have a fully-functioning one, either.

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[–] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Why is the answer never "Biden has to do something bold and public to earn the votes of the unexcited, rather than leaning on I'm-not-Trump?"

The student loan thing night have worked if the courts didn't shoot it full of holes. Why is he not promising to pack the courts to force it through? Stonewall any legislation that limps through the knife-edge House until they codify Roe? Go for the fucking jugular on something!

Showing some real backbone to Bibi might help, but we can't possibly have that.

I keep expecting they'll reschedule marijuana for the desperate hail mary. You'd think it was perfect for him because in many ways it wouldn't really change the status quo of state-level legalization, but shows he's at least read a dorm room poster at some point in his life.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Because when Obama did it in 08, all those bitter moderates voted Republican.

And they're still shitty that it didn't stop Obama for daring to run against Hillary when it was her turn.

So for 16 years they've been repeating to themselves that a progressive candidate can't win because moderates will vote Republican. Even though the only time in modern history it happened, the progressive still flipped a bunch of red states in a huge win.

The people running the DNC are fucking terrible at getting Democrats elected, because they don't have the same idea of what a democratic candidate should be as what party voters think a candidate should be.

[–] Xin_shill@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

It’s worse than that, they don’t care if a dem is elected or not, they raise more money being the opposition party when a hated opponent is in office anyway. Not like he is going to do anything that hurts them or their pocket books directly anyway

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[–] macattack@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They will have to live with the ramifications the longest. I suppose politics is always been that way where the least engaged suffer the most dire consequences

[–] thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Ironically, any negative consequences of their actions they'll deny. It's human nature. Whatever fiction they invent, as a justification, will simply benefit fascists, as lies always do. There are still NAZIs in Germany. Sadly it takes economic stability for the left and progressives to be able to fight back, and there isn't mush of that in the world.

[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I don't know where USA Today found these people.

Kristian Mansel, 23 said she's willing to see a Trump victory if it means Biden and Democratic Party learn a lesson. She's mad Biden and Democrats have failed to protect reproductive rights or wipe out student loans.

"It's just there's too many strikes against him and the Democratic Party at this point in general," said Mansel, a University of Memphis student who considers herself liberal.

Has she paid any attention at all to what each party is trying to do?

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (7 children)

I don’t know where USA Today found these people.

Same place as the Bernie Bros who voted for Trump instead of Hilary Clinton, giving the USA 3 more conservative Supreme Court Justices.

You know, to stick it to the Democrats.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Nobody wanted to choose between Hilary and Trump in 2016 and look what fucking happened. Don't make the same dumbfuck mistake by not voting or voting 3rd party without enough support to ever come close to winning.

Everyone sucks; but you're not doing anything good by not choosing the least shitty option.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Nobody wanted to choose between Hilary and Trump in 2016

Party leadership wanted exactly that. They got their second choice.

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 9 points 7 months ago

"It feels like the older generation is still in charge, and there are such huge differences in our experiences," said Jeremy Gold, 30, of Nashville.

"We feel like we've been ripped off by the 'American dream' idea ‒ we've seen the financial repercussions of our parents' and grandparents' generations multiple times over, seen a lot more violence and war than we were originally told would happen, and we feel ripped off," he said. "The lack of voting is probably a little bit of a middle finger to those who passed that to us."

This is how I feel.

[–] horsey@lemm.ee 8 points 7 months ago (11 children)

Is there some chance Biden might win Tennessee? Why do we care about what a bunch of 20 year olds in Tennessee specifically think?

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 3 points 7 months ago (15 children)

We don't. The news, however, does. Their mission is to get clicks, and shit like this gets clicks.

(I mean I didn't click on it, but in general I think it's far far more effective than updating people with what's going on with the Houthis or another story about how Trump is a crook or something like that.)

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[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I suppose everyone has to regret something....

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