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'Shame': Bill Including Warrantless Spying Expansion Passes Senate, Becomes Law
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What happened to my country
this post was submitted on 21 Apr 2024
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FTFY silly goose. You left out the one whose administration is actually doing it right now!
The president and his cabinet aren't Congress.
What are you even saying here?
I am responding to someone who listed 3 Republican Presidents, didn't list the Republican President during 9/11 who enacted all of the worst things that still exist in American politics, he listed a Republican Senator, but conveniently left out the Democrat that is behaving like all of them.
Quite a feat of mental gymnastics that tries to make the subject at hand Republicans fault and not the fault of current Democrats and the 2 party system as a whole.
All I'm saying is that when a bill goes through Congress and is ratified into law it's not the president that does that.
I'm not sure if he opposes or supports this bill but for the purposes of ratifying and law that is on Congress. Just trying to be accurate.
The original commentary that brought him up said the administration that this bill went through under, while technically correct because of the implication will muddy the waters.
redundant to include that but sure
Ya, listing all of the bad Republicans in history, but not listing the Democrat who is behaving today like those Republicans did back then is totally redundant, and isn't trying to play mental gymnastics to help the Democrat party evade accountability for their current actions.
Because its just those Republicans, not the Neocon Democrat President currently sitting in the Oval Office.
No it's redundant because he's part of the subject of the article posted and my list wasn't meant to be an exhaustive dissertation on the subject of fear mongering authoritarianism.
So maybe take a step back before you accuse someone of doing mental gymnastics. An obviously flippant comment such as mine shouldn't warrant such an antagonistic response.
So maybe take a step back before you accuse someone of doing mental gymnastics. An obviously flippant comment such as mine shouldn’t warrant such an antagonistic response.
Nah. We good.
Maybe take a step back and say what you mean. Make sure you dont sound like the perpetual "All of the good stuff is attributable to my guy in office, but all the bad stuff is the result of 'it takes an election cycle for actions to take effect.'"
Happy you can see that America's biggest problem is a Democrat who is behaving like a neocon, while the Blue MAGA legion go "bUt TrUmP!!!!!"
You have a hammer, and every problem is a nail. I never said anything like what you're suggesting, and you're reading into it what you want to.
So maybe take a step back before you accuse someone of doing mental gymnastics.
Maybe take a step back and say what you mean.
Feel like our exchange was answered here.
Bro you out here doing backflips calling people doing jumping jacks gymnasts.
forgot business plot.
Also all that lead
What your country has been openly doing the world over just became the law so they don't need to keep it a secret anymore.
Snowden was a decade ago and if you're asking "what happened to my country" now, I guess you are just ignorant about much horrible things that your country does.
was never yours, dear.
Turns out reforming capitalism only delays end stage, it doesn't prevent it.
If only we had gotten a warning from someone whose name rhymes with Snarl Barx, Gladymir Fenin or Bosa Fuxemburg
It’s spying on non-Americans. Help me understand this hyperbolic reaction. Do you think we shouldn’t spy on foreign agents?
Didn't know i'm an agent, thanks for letting me know.
Agent as in person, in government lingo.
It’s spying on Americans
Technically it’s spying on foreign agents who sometimes interact with Americans.
Is my understanding flawed in some way? I’m asking in good faith.
Under an amendment adopted as part of RISAA, the government could, in effect, require American businesses, including individuals such as journalists, with no role in providing communications services, to assist with National Security Agency (NSA) surveillance. source
Under an amendment adopted as part of RISAA, the government could conscript into service a wide range of other types of service providers who merely have access to the equipment (e.g., a router) on which communications transit. Although the amendment exempts hotels, libraries, restaurants, and a handful of other types of establishments, an enormous range of businesses would still be fair game, including grocery stores, department stores, hardware stores, laundromats, barber shops, fitness centers, and — perhaps most disturbingly — commercial landlords that rent out the office space where tens of millions of Americans go to work every day, including news media headquarters, political campaign offices, advocacy and grassroots organizations, lobbying firms, and law offices. Because these businesses might lack the ability to segregate out particular communications, they could be forced to give the government access to entire communications streams, including vast volumes of purely domestic communications — trusting the NSA to extract and retain only communications to and from targets. source
My aversion to violations of privacy by the government are battling my loathing of foreign influence in our politics.
I wish the FBI and NSA had actual oversight.
Congress is the oversight.
Technically this enables the agencies to spy on anyone and you just have to trust they won't spy on Americans. Also, as a non-american: I'd really like it if your agencies fucked off.
I’m an American married to a German. The next time we visit my family, my father could be compelled to go through my husband’s things.
How could it be at all acceptable to force you to ruin your relationship with your daughter because you’re a citizen?
Preposterous and hilarious hyperbole is not helpful.
You’re rejecting reality.
Can you cite a time when, uh, some random American citizen was “compelled” presumably at gunpoint and without a warrant in contravention of the 5th amendment to rummage through their relative’s belongings?
What the actual fuck are you talking about?
I’m interested in facts, not your schizophrenic rantings. Get help. Or factual sources.
There’s an edit to your last comment, I see that now. You’re really worked up about this, but please don’t use the word schizophrenic like that.
Would you like me to source an example of something happening in the past that hasn’t been legal until this past Thursday? I can’t, obviously.
Now it is possible for the government to compel (not literally at gun point, rather with the threat of jail time, like how the government compels you to do anything) a citizen working in any of several types of roles (everyone in my family does, yay) to gather information from any non-citizen.
In fact, I could be compelled to gather information on any of my German neighbors, coworkers, or customers.
I don’t think it’s likely. But it’s a law on the books and it’s fucking insane. You’ve mentioned you dislike foreign interference. Please imagine how you would feel if any Chinese citizen could be compelled to gather information for the Chinese government at any time. Would you want to hire a Chinese person?
Yes, I edited my comment to make it less polite. Large claims require large evidence. This is the second or third time I’ve asked for sources. Just one. Just trust me bro is not a source.
Yeah, I edited my comment to make it less polite.
That’s perplexingly crappy of you. Astounding that this conversation hasn’t been as effective as you’d like. If you had asked me for a source before the edit, when I read it or pinged me, you would have gotten one earlier, though it’s the same source as you received elsewhere.
You should read the law.
This “Everyone Is A Spy” Provision fundamentally transforms the nature of surveillance in this country by requiring American businesses and individuals that have no role in providing communications services to assist with NSA surveillance. The measure is tailor-made for aggressive misuse, which is why Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR) described it as “one of the most dramatic and terrifying expansions of government surveillance authority in history.” This dangerous approach is precisely what Congress rejected in 2008 when it replaced the highly fraught Protect America Act with Section 702.
Thank you for the source. If correct, that is indeed terrifying and we should be concerned.
No, it is not crappy of me. I gave up any hope for “a productive conversation” after the zero citations provided by anyone 5 replies deep. But you did provide one now. Thanks.
You’re intentionally being ruder because things aren’t going your way (your first comment was frankly also rude, plus didn’t ask for a source, so why would I give you one). You can decide that’s not crappy because you’re frustrated, but the rest of us can’t know your mental state. Lashing out because you don’t think you’ll get what you want isn’t behavior that most people find enjoyable.
It’s the same source you already received in another comment. Maybe you’ll read it this time.
I only became frustrated when you gave me a phantasmagorical story about a hypothetical unprecedented scenario.
You asked why people were worried; I explained my worry. You called me delusional, and I defended myself. When you asked for a source so that I could see it, I first clarified what you were looking for, then linked it.
I honestly don’t know what you expected or why you found that frustrating. Regardless, your frustration is your problem.
HEY COWARDS! Remember when you said you needed guns to rise up against tyrannical government?
Why you hiding behind your couch, cowards 😂😂😂😂
Hey psycho, some people do what they can to avoid violence in our lives. We aren't Russia (for now) so we can still effect change by doing away with first past the post voting via state level electoral reform. Lesser evil voting habits have taken us down this predictable path, and we must work on introducing competition into the electoral process.
That said, work towards peace, prepare for the inevitable.
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