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    submitted 8 months ago by MRLimcon@lemmy.ml to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
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    What you’re refering to as Windows, is in fact, GNU/Windows, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Windows. Windows is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another closed component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

    Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Windows”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

    There really is a Windows, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Windows is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Windows is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Windows added, or GNU/Windows. All the so-called “Windows” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Windows.

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    [–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 98 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 8 months ago

    I'm not completely convinced that isn't Nick Offerman in a wig.

    [–] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 63 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    I mean... The kernel is called NT, not Windows, but okay

    [–] Silic0n_Alph4@lemmy.world 51 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Which would make it GNU/NT…

    [–] davidgro@lemmy.world 68 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    GNU'nt

    [–] psmgx@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

    Absolute GNU'NT

    [–] JareeZy@feddit.de 19 points 8 months ago

    What did you call me?

    [–] Asudox@lemmy.world 49 points 8 months ago

    blasphemy

    [–] ForgottenUsername@lemmy.world 39 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Windows online for 2 days and 15 hours without crashing or having to reboot for an update.

    Clearly Photoshop'd. 🤣

    [–] meekah@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    I hate windows as much as the next linux user but I have to admit windows has been very stable for me despite having uptimes in the months with my work laptop.

    [–] ForgottenUsername@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    Your preaching to the wrong crowd.

    No Linux user is gonna go "perhaps your right, I should switch to windows for its stability"

    You've had your work laptop run well for a few months with your on off daily usage. I'm sure there's many ppl here with various distros running for years without a single reboot.

    Personally I have one running as a mediaserver that hasn't been offline in two years, and I'm sure that that's young in this forum.

    [–] meekah@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    I don't expect anyone to switch to windows, I'm just saying this myth about windows being unstable does not align with my experiences at all. I haven't even seen a blue screen since windows 7. All the weird behavior I encountered was fixed by replacing hardware, and without reinstalling windows. Sure, linux might run even longer without rebooting, but saying windows can't go past 2 days is just a gross exaggeration.

    [–] ForgottenUsername@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

    I literally turned on my work laptop yesterday and it blue screened on boot. (Win10). Didn't even get an uptime of 5 minutes. Its not a myth that windows is unstable (in comparison with Linux and macOS).

    And B. Take a joke, clearly my initial post is taking the piss. Windows is less stable than Linux, simply a fact. Hence the comment so people can have a laugh.

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    [–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 28 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Wtf how do you get bash on windows and is their theme really still called Aero and their WM "Explorer"????

    [–] MRLimcon@lemmy.ml 18 points 8 months ago

    I use msys2 (https://www.msys2.org/), it uses pacman as its package manager and has a lot of developer packages (so i can compile fortran and integrating it to python). It comes with bash and a terminal, but I used windows terminal and made a profile for using msys2's bash, the same on vscode. Then I installed neofetch (https://packages.msys2.org/base/neofetch) and just saw this hahaha.

    [–] palordrolap@kbin.social 8 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Someone else already said WSL, but before WSL there was Cygwin, and before Cygwin it was probably the DOS era tbh, but you could definitely get pdksh as a DOS executable back then. (I was never quite brave enough to make pdksh the SHELL in CONFIG.SYS, but I could have.)

    As for Windows' WM being Explorer, yeah, that's basically been the case since Windows 95. The desktop itself is a special instance of a folder and the taskbar, at least up to Windows 7 (I've been out of touch since then) was a heavily modified partially-floating menu bar.

    Prior to that, Windows 3.x had something called Program Manager which Windows 8 kind of, sort of, went back to (but not really) and everyone hated it. The original Program Manager would have been better, honestly.

    Makes me wonder if the setting is still there in modern Windows to change the WM to something else. It used to be in WIN.INI, so it's probably a registry key now. No doubt deep instability will result if it's set to anything other than explorer.exe because of the deep integration that explorer.exe has with literally everything, so probably not worth trying. Also, if you start Explorer when it isn't the WM, it'll probably try to do WM things anyway and break whatever else is running.

    [–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

    DOS was ok, but when I found Linux with its cli multiprocessing, &, bg, fg, jobs, and alt-f#, my head exploded and I thought about all the time I could have saved in my years of using DOS with its single process terminal interface.

    [–] davidgro@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

    As far as switching out Explorer goes, it's not actually the window manager, that's Aero since Vista - but it is the shell on desktop editions of Windows... But not all editions. Some server editions ("core") and some specialized other ones have the shell set to literally just a cmd window. There's no taskbar, no Start, no desktop icons, etc. There's a cmd window that if closed triggers a reboot. Of course other things can be started from it.

    I'm not sure if there's a setting that could be changed to make a desktop edition behave like that or vice versa.

    [–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 2 points 8 months ago

    Damn. This could be a reason why there are no good filemanagers in Windows? But idk.

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 8 months ago

    The image in cygwin or something based on it

    [–] subignition@kbin.social 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    There's also WSL though your mileage may vary.

    [–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    neofetch in WSL would report as Ubuntu (or whatever distro you chose)

    [–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 6 points 8 months ago

    Thats something different

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 months ago

    Not as flexible or fast

    [–] Percy_JW@kbin.zerstoererbande.de 3 points 8 months ago

    You can also install neo fetch through scoop

    [–] 0ops@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    Git bash, also that screenshot looks like the Windows terminal app

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    [–] madeline@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago

    they forgot how to make an operating system 12 years ago, it's all windows 7 leftovers

    [–] casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works 25 points 8 months ago

    This deserves a ban imo

    [–] astrsk@piefed.social 19 points 8 months ago

    +1 for using LTSC with MAS activation. It’s about the only acceptable way to run windows at home, other than doing the same thing but in an isolated VM.

    [–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    proudly showing off that GT1030

    [–] rc_buggy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Right? I might have an old GTX970 I could part with if old boy here wants a drastic upgrade.

    [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    😄 I just got a GTX 980 out of pity for free from a friend 🥳 first time 4k60Hz gaming in my live, lol

    Now I just need to get wine/proton working. Steam titles already work 😍 but I have not get bottles (installed using yay) to work yet.

    [–] olutukko@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    gtx 980 gang! I got mine free my from the dad of my ex back in like 2019

    [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

    🥳have you tried Wayland with it? (Running Arch GNOME with proprietary drivers, but mostly Xorg due to gaming)

    [–] olutukko@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I have a little bit, but due to gaming I stick with Xorg. also I just use i3wm nowadays which helps me get better performance in some games

    [–] meekah@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    Any idea why that would be? I mean RAM limitations could be the issue but otherwise im pretty confused as to why this might happen.

    [–] olutukko@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    I have no clue. I've been wondering the same thing, since I have 16gb ram so ram shouldn't be the issue

    [–] meekah@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

    Hmm with modern games like BG3 you might run into some limitations with 16GB. Online I'm reading that BG3 uses 25GB of RAM. Might be that the few MB a DE uses are just enough to kick something important into the swap file or something.

    [–] olutukko@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

    I don't think that's it, I just checked out and the game only takes around 25-26% ram and it was running reasonably well with 4,5gb ram already taken. that 25gb ram sounds like someone is playing the game with 4k graphics or something. bg 3 lists only 8gb ram as mimimum requirement and 16gb is recommended

    edit: I don't know if gnome takes up some grpahics card or cpu resources which affect the game performance since it's a lot bigger program than i3wm

    [–] meekah@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    I see, then it shouldn't be the RAM.

    I've used gnome on a relatively new machine and it seemed like it was working fine. Maybe I just didn't notice the performance hit, or maybe it's the same with KDE. Definitely odd though.

    [–] olutukko@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

    yeah it's quite odd. but at least I want to use i3wm anyways so it doesnt really matter

    [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    I see 😄 I’ll remember that, if I have a game comming to it’s limit

    [–] olutukko@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    baldur's gate 3 was really unstable with gnome for me, and the fps was like half of what it's supposed to be. but with i3 I get decent fps and it's really stable! I'm not that sure about other games because I havent been paying attention to the fps but I feel the performance is generally better. no other game has shown that drastic change though :D

    [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Nice! I’m more the retro gamer😄 I love being finally able to play wii/GC upscaled to 4k 😁

    Right now, I’m fighting with old windows games on iso to get them running (have tried with bottles and lutris without success) now I learned that one can run exe using steam, let’s see if I play rubiks games tonight 😂

    [–] guiguinofake@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

    Considering that it says Windows for IoT Enterprise I don't think he only needs a GPU for video output.

    [–] sar1n@infosec.pub 10 points 8 months ago

    Delete this!

    [–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    iot version of windows using 4gb of ram on startup?!?! Oh fu... Looking at antix linux ram consumption and wiping sweat from forehead

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