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[–] FabulousCable3945@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] boo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I do miss being able to swap out a phone battery and this will certainly be a step in the right direction in terms ewaste and device longevity.

One thing that I wonder about is waterproofing or water resistance. Some phones are basically waterproof in shallow water. How achievable is this with a device with a trivial way to remove the battery?

[–] HubbleST@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Galaxy S5 sport had a battery door and water resistance. They just used gaskets.

[–] HisDufusness@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

They can just seal the rest of the components exposing just a connection for the battery. There were water resistant phones before, the major reason they decided to make the battery unremovable was to make people buy new phones. Nobody wants to charge their phones multiple times a day.

[–] ki77erb@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is my concern as well. Having a phone that is water and dust resistant is far more important to me than being able to replace the battery. I haven't had the need to replace a phone battery in probably more than a decade.

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[–] connelhooley@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Although this is obviously a step in the right direction it needs to be followed up with security updates, no point increasing the life of the hardware without doing the same for the software.

[–] Emerald_Earth@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Making it illegal to lock bootloaders would make each device community-maintainable.

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[–] illumrial@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now make SD cards mandatory and you've got something really good.

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[–] thesanewriter@vlemmy.net 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

If this goes through, I think it would be really good news. Battery failure is one of the leading things that force people to replace their smartphones, and having them be replaceable would go a long way towards making smartphones last longer.

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[–] xtract@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It might lead to thicker phones, but battery and/or SW obsolescence are the main reasons I have been swapping phone in the last 10 years.

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Back in the day when I had a Samsung S4, I bought this massive brick of a battery/new back plate and I LOVED it. Absolutely worth being a bit thick.

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[–] drmoodmood@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Finally! Now to also force phonemakers to universally provide bootloader unlocks so we can put our own ROMs on our devices once the software support ends.

[–] M_Reimer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And now they just have to force manufacturers to either at least security patch devices for, let's say 10 years, or force them to open source everything the community needs to continue supporting this device. It never happened to me that the battery died before support ended.

Just had that issue with my Pixel 3a XL. No more security updates. Had to replace it with a Pixel 6a but I liked the 3a XL more. It there was any community support for the 3a XL, I would rather sell my 6a again.

[–] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As an Apple user, I definitely have batteries die before the product stops being useful. The company provides feature updates for old phones for several years, and when that runs out they continue to provide security patches for several more years.

A new iPhone battery is only $47 (if you do the repair yourself, and if you send your old battery back to Apple for a recycling credit), but it's a pretty complex and arduous process with a fair chance of damaging your phone while attempting it. You also have to pay a deposit, over a thousand dollars, to rent the tools off Apple. Ouch.

You can take it to an Apple store, but that takes even longer than doing the repair yourself. And it costs more (though you don't have to pay the outrageous deposit for the tools).

This legislation would force Apple to make it a simple process with no tools. Yes please.

[–] Graphine@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Honestly, with Apple making it incredibly fucking hard to take out their batteries with excessive amounts of glue, I'm okay with this.

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can’t wait to hear the Apple marketing word for this feature. They’ll add some gimmick like the battery is held in with magnets and say “We call it MagPack and we think you’re going to love it.”

[–] RarePepeCollector@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Just as long as it doesn't resemble what the poors would use. Yuck.

[–] quortez@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fingers crossed that this will be implemented well, im tired of having sleek electronics be irrelevant in 2 years when the silicon could go for 5 or six

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

The silicon could go on for decades if both the modem and processor were fully documented hardware that the community can access and support in the Linux kernel.

I can run a secure and current form of Linux on 30+ year old hardware if I want to, because the hardware documentation was expected by everyone at the time even if some end users were oblivious to what this meant. The whole reason google pushes Android is because they provide a base Linux kernel that hardware manufacturers can easily slip their proprietary junk into without requiring them to add the kind of open source code needed for mainline kernel support by the community. This is the mechanism that depreciates your device. It is totally artificial and an end user exploitation by design.

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[–] Wander@yiffit.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hooray! Younger generations will finally be able to experience the joy of dropping their phone and having to pick up three to four different pieces! /s

(I'm all for this change, by the way)

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[–] variouslegumes@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

My last phone bit the dust because I made the mistake of taking it apart to repair it. It became a gluey piece of garbage. If I want it be waterproof I'll stick it in a sandwich bag. Or maybe the manufacturer can use the novel tech of gaskets.

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[–] hyorvenn@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fairphone 3 user here. My main reason to choose this phone a few years ago was because the battery could easily be replaced. Too many phones are perfectly functional but the battery is half dead. Another boon of non-glued batteries : You can carry two (or more) batteries to easily switch when the first one is KO. Meaning no need for portable charger and useless cables in your pocket. Phone at 10% ? Just change it, bam 100% in a second. Easy as that.

I'll probably not be the target of such regulations because I wouldn't choose an anti-consumer phone brand anyway, but at least it's going in the right direction.

[–] BanggerRang@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

About bloody time! Devices these days are so far technically advanced, no need to upgrade every 2 years. I can hold onto a phone for easily 3-5 years. Especially with hot swap batteries!

[–] UsernameLost@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Good! I loved having removable batteries, especially while traveling. Just carry a charged battery and hotswap them instead of having to find a plug to camp by for 30-60 minutes

[–] UprisingVoltage@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago

LET'S GOOOOO

[–] paulie420@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Wow ; thats pretty amazing - now I have even more respect for them thinking ahead and going after the USB-C ports first... this could force manufacturers to give us a better product - I'll be watching this.

[–] guy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Excellent! Batteries in modern phones are surprisingly definitely removable and replaceable. I've done it multiple times. However, the unfriendly barrier to entry is glue and clips that require careful prying with spugers. It's quite clear manufacturers are happy blocking you getting in; plenty people just buy new phones when the battery gets too old.

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[–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Phones are getting more expensive so people are holding on to them longer, so it's a nice quality of life improvement to remove the barriers to battery replacement so less people have to go down to a phone repair store to get it changed. The more of a hassle battery replacement is seen the more likely people are to just upgrade and create e-waste.

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[–] xfts@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

W move for the EU. Very glad they're mandating stuff that should have been common place to begin with (ex. USB C on iPhones).

[–] Doodoocaca@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Misleading title. Phones can still be glued. Waterproof phones still don't need to have a user replaceable battery (the battery needs to be replaceable but by professionals).

[–] pimterry@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Do you have a reference for that? From all the documentation I've seen elsewhere, that's not true. There's no exclusion for waterproof devices, and everything has to be possible with tools a normal person can buy (you might need to go to a local hardware store, but no unique specialist expensive kit).

The full law is here: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/docs_autres_institutions/commission_europeenne/com/2020/0798/COM_COM(2020)0798_EN.pdf. It only mentions 'water' 3 times and none of them relate to waterproof phones (they're talking about batteries of waterbourne transport & environmental impact of water use) so I don't know where that's coming from.

It's totally possible to make waterproof phones with removable batteries - Samsung did it with the Galaxy S5 (IP67 - 1 meter under water for 30 minutes) way back in 2014 and there's lots of other examples. It's just not quite as cheap as glueing everything together.

[–] boff@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Thank you for linking the text. For anyone wondering, here is Ch. 2, Article 11 regarding portable battery replacement:

Article 11 Removability and replaceability of portable batteries

  1. Portable batteries incorporated in appliances shall be readily removable and replaceable by the end-user or by independent operators during the lifetime of the appliance, if the batteries have a shorter lifetime than the appliance, or at the latest at the end of the lifetime of the appliance. A battery is readily replaceable where, after its removal from an appliance, it can be substituted by a similar battery, without affecting the functioning or the performance of that appliance.
  2. The obligations set out in paragraph 1 shall not apply where (a) continuity of power supply is necessary and a permanent connection between the appliance and the portable battery is required for safety, performance, medical or data integrity reasons; or (b) the functioning of the battery is only possible when the battery is integrated into the structure of the appliance.
  3. The Commission shall adopt guidance to facilitate harmonised application of the derogations set out in paragraph 2
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