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[–] Lemvi@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 8 months ago (22 children)

Ah yes, my grandparents, the landlords. Wait hol' up, they were working people, not landlords. GDR fucked them regardless.

"bUt tHAT wASn'T rEaL ComMunIsM" If neither the USSR nor China could achieve true Communism, then maybe it isn't so much a realistic goal as a utopian ideal, a convenient justification for all kinds of crimes against humanity that occur in its pursuit.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Communism isn't a series of sacrifices for an eventual greater good, Socialism is definitely better than what preceeded Socialism in Russia and China. The idea of True Communism can only be achieved globally, sure, and in the far future, sure, but Communism is about building towards that through gradual improvements.

You're implying that any progress forward is useless if it doesn't immediately achieve a far future society, it's devoid of logic.

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[–] RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The thing is, both USSR/China and USA don’t fit the ideals of Communism. While in USA suffers from the gap between rich and poor, USSR/China suffered from the difference between the people and the government. Just because you get rid of economical suppression doesn’t mean you can’t have political suppression. Sure these countries had economical problems but a lot of their problems could have been avoided if the government would have actually worked for the people and not for themselves.

[–] EchoCT@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago

Neither the USSR or China fulfilled Dialectical Materialism yet either. That's a prerequisite for the ideals of communism.

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago

It wasnt the GDR, it was the totality of global Capital conspiring to defeat the biggest threat to their power structure. What did the GDR do specifically that 'fucked' your grandparents?

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

ITT: That doesn't count!!!

[–] EchoCT@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (16 children)

Well. Stop using strawmen. Communism is defined by progress through dialectical Materialism. Has any nation finished that progression?

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