HumanOnEarth

So you're both wrong.....

Capitalism is just fine. The definition you gave of "capital above all else" is just not true. That's how corporations are trying to get away with their current use of the capitalist system.

Capitalism is meant to operate in a free market. The actual problem is the lack of pricing externalities properly.

So when you pump a gallon of gasoline, there is nothing in there priced to account for the environmental damage. Impossible to quantify obviously, but we don't even try. It's economics 101: if you don't account for externalities, you don't have a truly efficient market.

Trees provide the service of cleaning the air and providing oxygen. That value should be accounted for before clearcutting a forest. Likewise the value of the biodiversity within the forest.

So what is actually happening is those with capital are creating the rules, and any attempt to account for the very real value of these things is squashed.... with the capital. That's why it'll never work. If we accounted for all externalities somehow, capitalism would be a perfect system.

But since people literally could give a shit if an 8 year old orphan with cerebral palsy made their shirt, as long as their shirt costs 5 bucks..... this is what you get.

And all that excess value stolen from nature, and from citizens (clean air for example)? That's what you find in the bank accounts of the CEOs and oligarchs.

The American public: 🤷

Almost like we should nationalize the oil industry

I don't think he should be careful.

Listen, I have been a staunch environmentalist since An Inconvenient Truth.

We lost. Climate change is here, and all we've seen is the first few paragraphs of the prequel.

Do what you want with that information, and I will keep doing what I can personally to help, but the era of possible political action on the climate is over.....we might as well do what we need to do to be a global leader, yes including developing and selling all our oil. It's either that, or a global superpower is going to take it for pennies on the dollar.

Sure, but now elected US politicians are being threatened with being thrown in there?

I feel like maybe that's not so legal, or at least deserves some attention from some kind of agency.

Obviously not going to happen, but let's try not to forget what the world was like before fascism destroyed the United States.

Futurama is adult animation.

SpongeBob is children's animation.

Holy shit dude. What strain, and did you prepare munchies?

I understand.

What actual law?

Uh I'm in

Arrested for what, exactly? What fucking law?

Who is going to stand up to these people?

Not quite. They think all elections are rigged against them. When they win, they were popular and strong enough to win despite the rigging. When they lose, the enemy was evil enough to pull it off.

Can't lose logic.