Got it. Unshifting goalposts is shifting the goalposts now.
Why you're asking if I'm eating with nazis, is what I'm trying to get to the bottom of. My quote was about taking up space, not sharing a meal.
Is it shifting the goalpost when I'm trying to bring a conversation back to my original point?
Admittedly, it's hard to keep track of every thread in this discussion, which is why I'm trying to stick to reason I posted.
From all instances, including .world.
I agree with that last quote.
But what I'm noticing is a reducing of the original saying to mean any place with a nazi is a nazi bar, and therefore contaminated. Taking back online and IRL communities from nazis involves sharing space and occasionally having a dialogue.
If someone has a close relationship with a nazi, to the point where they think they can change their mind, it's their duty to try. Otherwise the nazi is only going to hang out with other nazis and become more of a shit head.
In the end I think we all agree there should be fewer nazis, but maybe we disagree on how to do that.
My statement, the original shower thought, was referencing how the entire saying got turned into a purity test for online spaces, not that I'm against Nazi's getting kicked out of bars.
I'm using this account because I've been seeing, almost daily, someone calling this instance a Nazi Bar. I don't think the saying works for highly segmented online forums like these.
I wonder why so many people disagree with the idea I'm putting forth that leaving a space because of one terrible person allows terrible people to take control of a space.
That's not what I said. What I said was:
"If a nazi walks into a bar and everyone else leaves, it becomes a nazi bar."
If you went through covid without anyone you knew going down the crazy hole, you must not know many people.
They did try to promote their beliefs online and were fully into Q Anon and Alex jones.
I disagree with the complete lack of nuance, we invited them with the understanding that they weren't allowed to bring up any opinions against any group of people, as sort of soft intervention.
They've since come out as non-binary and seem to have dropped the bullshit. We're not close anymore, though.
In the end, I saw the opportunity to help get rid of a nazi. It's not a contagious disease anymore than not being a nazi.


I'm on one of my alts because my main instance (.today) had a hiccup - which rarely happens. Maybe twice in the last year, if I recall correctly.
I've tried five different instances. Lemmy.today doesn't defederate from anyone so you can see the whole lemmyverse and curate your experience from there, instead of having admins decide what you should and shouldn't see. The rules are standard but lax, bigots and abusers still get banned, but it's largely up to the mods to watch over their communities.
Alternatively, if you like a healthy, pre-curated experience at the other end of the spectrum, you could try Beehaw. They're more focused on creating an engaging, well-moderated, welcoming community.