There’s a very clear difference: Stein is a well-documented, intentional spoiler who’s funding comes primarily from Republican mega-donors and Russian interests, and who recently said out loud her purpose isn’t to advance her party but exclusively to block Harris.
Her track record makes that endorsement poignant.
If she was sincere and didn’t already align with fascist interests, we wouldn’t care what Nazis say about her.
Why isn’t the Green Party putting their resources and efforts towards changing the FPTP system? All that money and time could be spent elevating that issue to actually make a legislative difference, rather than pissing into the wind. They can’t possibly be oblivious to the real problem.
Or maybe, like people who keep stanning for them, their motivations aren’t as pure as they want you to think.
This is not giving up ground. The only people looking at this and thinking it means Harris somehow supports the Cheneys rather than the other way round are ideological purists. Nobody sane is giving the Cheneys a pass. They’re slime and we all know it. The only thing this tells us is that he’s* so unabashedly heinous that even old school Republicans can’t stomach him. It’s not a difficult concept.
e: *
I’m in Michigan and have never booked a venue that didn’t have air con. I don’t know about Pennsylvania, but it’s not colder than here.
I really doubt that was the issue. I could be wrong, obviously.
No, this is a situation where the dems need to get as many votes as possible, and you’re underestimating the voting power of old people.
The dems are accepting the Cheney’s support specifically to wake up some moderate, old conservatives who would otherwise vote reflexively for trump simply because of the R after his name.
This isn’t an ideological move, but a purely political one. Politics is not always tasteful. Ideological purity is useless against actual, real-life fascism, and it’s a strategic move. Reality isn’t always rainbows and unicorns.
I honestly think this whole story is silly and overhyped. It reminds me of that story a few months ago where trump cut his thumb or something and didn’t notice, so there was some blood on his hand for a few hours in photos. Everyone went nuts that he had a disease.
This is a ridiculous thing to focus on, and it’s being blown way out of proportion. His rallies are full of fanatics (eta: who are prone to hysteria), and he’s certainly showing signs of dementia, but I watched that whole video, and he didn’t just stand there swaying the whole time. It was painfully awkward, but he did interact with people every few minutes.
I just think there are far, far bigger issues with this lunatic than this, and I seriously doubt there’s anything nefarious to do with the venue.
Nobody is ‘standing by him’. Hitler liked dogs. Am I supposed to hate dogs because Hitler ‘stood by’ them?
I couldn’t give less of a fuck who the Cheneys support. Their opinions don’t factor into my choices at all.
I think you’re misunderstanding the Cheney’s support.
Dick and Liz (and Bush and others) aren’t supporting Harris because she aligns with them or they like her. They’re doing it because trump is so heinous, literally anything is better than a second trump term.
They don’t want Harris; they’ve just reached the conclusion trump will destroy the GOP. And they’re right.
As Lindsay Graham said in 2016:
If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed.......and we will deserve it.
This is self-preservation.
Doing the underlord’s work.
I keep seeing people say this – do venues typically charge separately for air con? I’ve booked venues for large events and have never been charged separately for utilities.
I love how this headline seems to imply the entire audience fainted. I’m picturing them going down like dominoes as he does his weird, robotic, old man jive for 30 minutes.
Also, I watched the video – was he trying to conduct that first operatic song? That whole mood was weird, especially how the songs careened from slow downers to upbeat and back again. Very odd playlist, that.
Are they? Has fainting happened at other venues?
Why would they do that intentionally?
I’m not trying to be combative, but my sceptic spidey sense is tingling. This feels a bit conspiratorial.
e: I can get behind the water thing, but my gut leans towards his followers being hysterical fanatics.