I'm not a GrapheneOS user (yet). However, as I understand it GrapheneOS does not obligate the installation of "Google Play Services" but does permit the installation of the service in a sandboxed environment (or separate profile).

As I understood, they will roll this out through "Google Play Services" and not the Android OS. So, any device with Google Play Services will be affected.

You can read more here: https://github.com/keepandroidopen/keepandroidopen.github.io/blob/main/src/content/pages/en/index.md

So, what would you recommend, FairPhone but a different OS? Or Pixel/Motorola with GrapheneOS? I'll check out some videos about it in the mean while.

But, wouldn't we (or you) miss the Android apps? Interesting though if we could make that happen.

I think our best chance to have less influence from Google would be legislation from the EU. (Government of France 🇫🇷 is based: they're going Linux).

I read on the keepandroidopen github that the "advanced flow" (for "side-loading") is delivered through Google Play Services, not the Android OS, meaning Google can modify, restrict, or remove it at any time without an OS update and without any user consent.

So, yes, I think you're right, GrapheneOS, PostmarketOS, /e/OS and the likes would be safe (for now) since they don't have the "Google Play Services". I read MicroG is a way to get core functionalities of the Play Services API.

For Linux phone, the Jolla phone has peeked my interest. But I would be missing Android apps, unless there is virtualization to run those??

If you find spirit, you can complain to your competent authorities in your region: https://keepandroidopen.org/cta/#consumers

Thanks. I will do those things.💪

In addition to GrapheneOS (Motorola/ Google Pixel), I was considering brands made in the EU: Jolla phone with Linux or FairPhone with eOS.

And here there's a list of regulators to which you can complain: https://keepandroidopen.org/cta/#consumers

So sad. Hmm, a different OS? PostmarketOS? eOS? Try if those support your device.

Thanks! 🙂 I'll go through them. So, it's really happening?

Yeah, I was thinking might be better to get a phone developed in the EU. I'm considering Jolla phone (Finnish) and FairPhone (Dutch). Or else a Pixel with GrapheneOS (but then it's Google again :/).

Are those sufficiently "open"?

Going vegan would be easiest