Nimbly

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[–] Nimbly@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

And while I personally saw the “too” as implied, it led to bad-faith actors really twisting it as well as inevitably some people actually not understanding it.

Don't you think bad faith actors will do that regardless? The problem isn't that the names were bad, the problem is a large amount of people had no interest in learning anything beyond the name and/or actively fought against learning what those groups were actually for.

[–] Nimbly@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Lmao, what a terrible opinion. "Prejudice is okay because the world isn't perfect." At least you aren't in denial like half the other people in this thread. The world will never be ideal or equitable as long as people like you are justifying, and advocating, the non-ideal and inequitable. Please spend less time in it.

[–] Nimbly@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

And if you’re not, why do you care so much for what some women might think of you before they get to know you?

Yeah, gosh, why would anyone care so much about being assumed to be a rapist?

you prefer every woman to trust every man because you’re one of the good ones (maybe)?

Weird false dilemma you've presented, one can simply treat all strangers with a degree of caution.

[–] Nimbly@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Is carrying pepper spray in an accessible location prejudice? Is declining invitations from acquaintances because I don’t want to be alone with them before I know them better prejudiced?

I already answered this, caution is not prejudice, but being cautious towards a specific demographic is prejudice. I'm not interested in hearing your prejudiced rationales, I've heard many over the years and they're largely the same.

I have much more to fear from a random man than a random woman, statistically

Yes, as said, statistics are not an excuse to be prejudiced. You cannot treat someone differently because of the group they were born as, that is prejudice. Go ahead and carry pepper spray, because anyone can attack you, but your trauma is leading you to rationalize prejudice and that is absolutely not acceptable in a tolerant society.

You keep making strawmen arguments because you cannot accept that someone is simply anti-prejudice.

[–] Nimbly@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

a misrepresentation of the screenshot - which is what I’m pushing back on

Okay, well let's do some analysis then. If they say they know it's not all men, but then immediately follow it up with saying they can't tell which men it is, what message are we supposed to get? In the context of a comeback to someone disagreeing with "all men are dangerous"

To me, it's pretty clearly justifying the position of "all men are dangerous," just with the caveat that they know it's not actually all men, but that they have to act is if it is because there is no way to tell the difference.

Do you not see that as a rationalization of treating all men like they are dangerous?

[–] Nimbly@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The post literally says not “all men”.

Really? Because the title of the post is "All men are dangerous"

Even if the post didn't say that, that's what others in the comments are defending and/or advocating for.

[–] Nimbly@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Being afraid of black people because of something unrelated to their race is very different than being cautious of men for something directly related to their sex

Not really, you are assuming the behavior of someone based on their immutable characteristics, they are both prejudice.

There is no way to visually distinguish a rapist.

Except if they look like a man, right?

You would have me put myself at risk or be a complete social hermit just for the sake of “fairness.”

No, I would have you be cautious of every human because every human is a possible abuser. Your trauma is not an excuse for prejudice, neither is statistics. Judging any individual because of the group they were born as is prejudice, you are a prejudiced and intolerant person.

[–] Nimbly@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago (11 children)

Caution is not the same as prejudice

If you "caution" against all men, then yes that is prejudice, just as it would be if someone was "cautious" against black people.

and that means that I’m going to have to live in such a way that I will mistrust a lot of good men

That is prejudice. Be cautious in a non-prejudiced way, nobody will care.

[–] Nimbly@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

Judging all men based on the actions of others (pre-judging them, if you will) just because of what group they are in, is prejudiced.

[–] Nimbly@lemmy.world 55 points 3 months ago (26 children)

Prejudice is unacceptable for any immutable characteristic, such as sex, gender, race, or sexuality.

[–] Nimbly@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago

Over half of homicides committed against women come from intimate partners and family members.

Like, even when we find men we think we trust, it’s still no better than a coin flip that one day they might violently hurt us, rape us, or kill us.

That's not how that statistic works.

 
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