ToastedPlanet

My argument is that it is in the strategic interest of both pro-Palestinian groups and the Democratic Party to work together. My argument has refuted your argument by explaining how its strategy, of doing nothing, is not useful to either of these groups.

Now is the time for voting. Polls will close on November 5th. It is in the strategic interest of people on the left to vote.

By refuting your arguments other people will see that they are meritless and vote.

https://www.vote.org/

Words don’t stop genocides, actions do

In the face of a christo-fascist takeover your argument's strategy of doing nothing because of moral reasons is useless.

the Biden-Harris administration has made no actions to prove that they are any better than Republicans on this issue.

See open letters cited in previous sources. Trump said Israel needs to complete their genocide. See previous sources.

There won't be any Democratic Party to leverage once Republicans jail their political opponents and we are all in death camps.

We need to keep our democracy long enough to change our society for the better. This means voting is a mechanical choice each election cycle and that grassroots movements are used to get more progressive and socialist candidates into positions of power between elections. The calculus for pro-Palestinian groups is the same. Vote!

https://www.vote.org/

Democrats, including Kamala, have shown opposition to Israel's genocide, while Republicans have not. Your argument doesn't even seem to recognize that Republicans want to completely eliminate the Palestinians. If your argument was actually in the interest of the Palestinians it wouldn't be for a course of action that will ensure their destruction.

Your argument's subject moral reasoning will not end the genocide or ensure Palestinian statehood so it is not useful to the Palestinians or pro-Palestinian groups.

People act in their own self-interest. If the pro-Palestinian groups are going to use any political party it will be the Democratic Party because that is the option available to them. Grassroots movements can shift a political party on the political spectrum. It's reasonable that pro-Palestinian groups will work to shift the Democratic Party to the left. This includes voting in US elections for Democrats, as Democrats shift to the right when they lose, historically speaking. As apposed to do nothing to impact US politics and let themselves be destroyed.

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Maybe they're tusks or vampire fangs?

Israel is actively committing genocide against the Palestinians. Biden is complicit in that genocide. The Democrats want a ceasefire. There have been numerous cases of push back from Biden's own administration against his stance on Israel-US relations. The Republicans want the genocide to continue until all Palestinians are dead. Trump has said Israel needs to be allowed to finish what they started.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/biden-administration-staff-sign-open-letter-demanding-ceasefire-israel-rcna125057

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/us-government-employees-gaza-policy-statement/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/trump-israel-comments/index.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905

Given that Democrats want the Palestinians to exist and the Republicans do not, it makes sense that the pro-Palestinian groups should want to ally with the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party's inability to get on the right side of history on this issue should not deter pro-Palestinian groups from acting in their own self-interest to achieve their goals. Palestinian statehood would be dead under a Republican christo-fascist dictatorship along with millions of people.

Thus it is useful to pro-Palestinian groups to attempt to ally with the Democrats even if the Democrats fail to reciprocate. The reverse is true for the Democrats. A tit-for-tat copy cat strategy is not useful in this situation. Both pro-Palestinian groups and the Democratic Party need each other and the sooner they both come to acknowledge the mutual beneficial nature of a partnership the better.

Unlike the Party for Socialism and Liberation, the Democratic Party has a chance at winning in our first-past-the-post election system. Being able to vote for a socialist party in elections that used rank choice voting would be preferable. In order to improve our democracy to that point we first have to keep it against christo-fascist takeovers. Voting for Democrats in this election is useful for the purposes of achieving socialism and true majority rule democracy.

Democrats not working with groups like the Uncommitted Movement, Palestinian Youth Movement, and Students for Justice in Palestine has been a serious strategic mistake by the Democrats. Even just a willingness to have further discussions with these groups would help Democrats election chances this year and going forward.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

France is one of the five "Nuclear Weapons States" under the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, but is not known to possess or develop any chemical or biological weapons.[4][5] France is the only member of the European Union to possess independent (non-NATO) nuclear weapons. France was the fourth country to test an independently developed nuclear weapon, doing so in 1960 under the government of Charles de Gaulle. The French military is currently thought to retain a weapons stockpile of around 300[6] operational (deployed) nuclear warheads, making it the fourth-largest in the world, speaking in terms of warheads, not megatons.[7] The weapons are part of the country's Force de dissuasion, developed in the late 1950s and 1960s to give France the ability to distance itself from NATO while having a means of nuclear deterrence under sovereign control.

What you need is a proctectomy.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/proctectomy

Trump is one the spewing fascist rhetoric.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/07/trump-immigrants-crime-00182702

“How about allowing people to come to an open border, 13,000 of which were murderers, many of them murdered far more than one person, and they’re now happily living in the United States. You know now a murder, I believe this, it’s in their genes. And we got a lot of bad genes in our country right now,” he told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt.

Weird, I recognized the rhetoric but not the username. Here is the Project 2025 link again:

https://www.25and.me/?topics=

And the full project 2025 website:

https://www.project2025.org/

Republicans are overrepresented because of the electoral college in presidential elections. Republicans do better with low voter turnout because more people are inclined to vote for Democrats, but those people tend to be concentrated in cities and certain states. It's how Trump won the 2016 election despite losing the popular vote. Meaning Democrats need more votes to overcome high population states and cities from being underrepresented in elections.

So by not voting in this election, people are making it easier for Republicans to win by not helping to overcome this anti-democratic advantage that Republicans have. By not voting a person can contribute to Trump's success even without supporting him.

Thankfully there is still time to vote.

https://www.vote.org/

If the MAGA movement succeeds there isn't going to be another election. Republicans want to takeover our democracy and replace it with a christo-fascist dictatorship. Trump wants to jail his political enemies. The Democrats might learn their lessons while in the death camps but they won't be able to act on them.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/12/trump-prosecution-threats-political-rivals/75060866007/

This site can bring up specific passages from Project 2025 about what a second Trump presidency means for a person's favorite topics.

https://www.25and.me/?topics=

There is no benefit in losing our democracy to a christo-fascist takeover. And historically when Democrats lose, they move further to the right. If people on the left want to shift the Overton window towards them, they should be a reliable voting block during elections and build grassroots movements between elections.