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[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How does the presence of Arabs in Israel's war machine disprove that? You didn't answer this question.

There were Jews who fought in the Nazis ranks. Based on your ridiculous logic, the Nazis are inclusive of the Jews (obviously incorrect because your logic is flawed).

There were black people fighting in the US armies as well, even during Jim Crow era.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Hamas did not massacre a music festival or even target it. The idiots held a dance rave at the border of a concentration camp and a war zone, and they ended up caught in cross fire. Grab any half sane person on the street and they'll tell you this is a bad idea.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Your first quotation is not about someone excusing a genocide because it happened a long time ago. They are saying that unlike the US, the current inhabitants in those regions can be traced back to the inhabitants thousands of years ago. Which means there wasn't a major genocide or displacement of people. I am not endorsing this statement btw, I don't know enough to confirm it. But it is not a condonation of genocide. It is in fact remarking that a genocide similar to what happened in North America did not happen in those other regions.

As you also wanted to be pointed to a source for genocides on the same or larger scale throughout history

You provided me a list of genocides on Wikipedia. None of them match the genocide against native Americans. Your link proves my point.

I guess I need to spell it out for some

I didn't ask you to paraphrase or restate your point. I asked you to prove it or provide evidence. But I never expected you to be able to anyways, so don't worry about it.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Wrong about what exactly? What does having Arabs in the military prove (or disprove)?

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

They literally want to kill all Jews

Source? Highly doubt

and convert the whole world to Islam

Not really concerned with with if they want people convert to Islam. Christians want to convert the whole world to Christianity too. Not concerning. not even close to Israel.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Please show me evidence where Hamas targeted civilians minding their own business, and weren't just caught in crossfire. I doubt it.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How's that the same?? Just reread them both, slowly.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Which children? Did Hamas target children like Israel does, or were they unfortunately caught in cross fire while they were fighting against their genociders?

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

This makes it sound like Britain is the good guy breaking up a fight. They literally planned for the whole thing, this is public information now. They intentionally massacred Palestinians and founded Israel as a genocidal state.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Said Jews then set about building a thriving western-style industrialized democracy that was opposed at every turn by an Arab and Islamic population that opposed its very existence

I am pretty sure that they were concerned about being expelled from their homes and massacred, and not because they hated "thriving industrialized democracy".

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

What country are you in?

The US has a large Jewish population by number.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Didn't Arabs and Palestinians just flat out refuse to coexist with a Jewish state from the start?

"coexist with a Jewish state" is a bit of a contradictory statement. Arabs coexisted with Jews fine prior to the Zionist project. A Jewish state is by definition a state exclusive to Jews. That's the opposite of coexistnece by definition, and yes that is exactly why Arabs (Muslims and Christians alike) refused it.

Certainly if they chose to fight,

Resist*. they chose to resist occupation, expulsion from their homes, massacre and genocide.

fight, and lost, then they have to face the consequences which might include losing their land.

Ahh, so if someone fights you for your land, destroys your home and genocides your people, then they've earned it?? Well I should not be surprised that someone who lives in a nation founded on genocide thinks this is okay.

yes it's "wrong" to kick someone off their land, both parties have to at least be reasonable and willing to compromise

"hey man, I know I just took over your home and burned your family alive in front of your eyes. But you gotta be reasonable here and be willing to compromise!"

What more of a compromise do you need beyond coexistence? That's all Palestinians have asked for, and Israel continues to deny them basic rights, no matter how peaceful they are.

And I end with: Israel bad apartheid state. It is truly that simple.

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