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@progettarsi Then they shouldn't publicize their app as a private messaging app, since they have access to our supposedly private conversations. That is actively harming their users because they're giving them a false sense of security. I have some IRL friends who think Telegram is more private than WhatsApp (which is obviously wrong because WhatsApp at least uses E2EE **by default**) due to this false publicity.
@bastion > message database of **decrypted** messages that signal keeps around to show your history
What are you talking about ? Where did you get this from ?
@progettarsi > the sites requires subscribtion to read the article
Here's a link without a pay wall
https://web.archive.org/web/20230207144839/https://www.livelaw.in/news-updates/after-court-order-telegram-discloses-phone-numbers-ip-addresses-of-users-accused-of-sharing-infringing-material-215311
> it’s normal that if you do something anti ethical you don’t deserve the privacy the app offered to you
This contradicts what you said earlier : "a lot of illegal things happens on telegram proving that maybe their privacy is better than you think"
@progettarsi @Albin9326 Telegram did actually share user info with authorities:
https://www.livelaw.in/news-updates/after-court-order-telegram-discloses-phone-numbers-ip-addresses-of-users-accused-of-sharing-infringing-material-215311
https://www.androidcentral.com/apps-software/telegram-reportedly-gives-user-data-to-german-authorities
Yet they still claim that they "have disclosed 0 bytes of user data to third parties, including governments".
@bastion Anonymity is useful, sure. But if you're going to use an IM app like the majority of people do, you're going to use it to contact friends and family, which means that the account isn't anonymous.
You should also know that Session lacks forward secrecy (a very important feature imo).
@bastion @Infiltrated_ad8271 But Session doesn't support SMS too. Why do you consider it superior if that's the reason you dislike Signal ?
@HughJanus @Hazzia they built a Signal-like IM app as a proof of concept. It's called VeilidChat.
https://veilid.com/chat/