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submitted 1 month ago by gipsoteco@lemmy.cafe to c/tolkien@lemmy.world

I have begun compiling a list of online texts that attempt bringing to a complete form the stories the Professor left unfinished: not mere fanfiction, but reasoned works that try to stay in the spirit of what Tolkien would have done if he stayed on the topic.

"Lost Tales": Gilfanon's Tale - https://redlib.catsarch.com/r/tolkienfans/comments/1uwrt3v/finishing_the_lost_tales_a_harmonised_version_of/

"Lost Tales": Eärendel - https://redlib.catsarch.com/r/tolkienfans/comments/1v0u8nq/finishing_the_lost_tales_the_lost_tale_of_e%C3%A4rendel/

"Lost Tales": Prologue and End - https://redlib.catsarch.com/r/tolkienfans/comments/1v7qppi/finishing_the_lost_tales_the_end_of_the_tales_and/

"Lost Tales" (general): https://lotrfanon.fandom.com/wiki/The_Book_of_Lost_Tales,_Remade

The Lost Road - https://lotrfanon.fandom.com/wiki/The_Lost_Road

Does anyone know other ones?

[-] gipsoteco@lemmy.cafe 2 points 3 months ago

That’s a very interesting point, thank you. I remembered the ‘ascension to heaven’ of the prophet Elijah, and also the ‘disappearance’ of Enoch, but I had completely forgotten about the things attributed to Melchizedek. And let’s not forget that Tolkien was a Catholic, and so he certainly had Mary in mind as well; according to Catholic tradition, she did not die but was assumed into heaven in body and soul, as is supposed to have happened to human beings if there been no sin. There is, however, a difference compared with the cases in Jewish and Christian tradition: the Elves would have been immortal within the physical world in any case, whereas Enoch, Elijah and Mary did not die but left the world.

If any comparison with angels is to be made, I would rather think of the Ainur, especially those that entered the world (Valar, Maiar, etc.), since Elves are seen as normal physical beings, or at least "enhanced humans" if we can say!

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submitted 3 months ago by gipsoteco@lemmy.cafe to c/tolkien@lemmy.world

As I'm revisiting the Professor’s works, I came across these essays: one, two, three, four, which examine—in some cases quite technically—how he understood death differently for Elves and for Men.

One thing that particularly struck me is that, when it came to Men, Tolkien never assigned them a view of mortality that was fully consistent with the theological perspective of Catholicism, and this had a certain impact, for example, in Athrabeth.

I’m curious about how, for example, that text might have differed if Tolkien had realized he wasn’t aligned with Catholic theology: as can be seen from the essays I mentioned earlier, Elvish and human mortality would have been exactly mirror images of one another.

IMPORTANT: I really wanted to put in the post some actual info about the 'misconception', but unfortunately it's a quite technical theological issue, and English isn't my first language, so it would be very difficult for me to summarize it in brief; I warmly invite you to have a look at the essays I linked.

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submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by gipsoteco@lemmy.cafe to c/tolkien@lemmy.world

I read Tolkien’s works years ago, and for a while I was very interested in various aspects of the fictional world, such as languages, geography, and calendars; then, as often happens, I moved on to other interests. I recently discovered that, over the millennia, our planet’s rotational speed has been slowing down, and therefore the length of the tropical year is decreasing (while the orbital period remains more or less unchanged). I recalled having done some calculations on the length of year across various calendars, and I had seen that in the Elven calendar, the average length of the year was:

365 days x 11 times + 368 days (the 12° year doubles the three enderi) = 4383 days in 12 years

4383 days x 12 times = 52596 days in 144 years (1 normal yén)

52596 days x 2 times + 52593 g (in the 144° year of the third of three yéni the enderi aren't doubled) = 157785 days in 3 yéni (432 years cycle)

The average length of a year in this system is therefore 157,785/432 = 365.2430556 days

In addition to this, I recalled reading something about what Tolkien said regarding the setting of his stories in a distant imaginary past:

Letter to Rhona Beare (1958) - 3019 T.A. is 6,000 years before 1958, so 1 F.A. would be 11,091 B.C.

The Awakening of the Quendi (1960) - 310 F.A. is 16,000 years before 1960, so 1 F.A. is 14,349 B.C.

BBC interview (1964) - 3019 T.A. is 7,000–8,000 years before 1964, so 1 F.A. is 12,085 / 13,085 B.C.

Why did I specifically mention the hypothetical correspondences with 1 F.A.? Because that would be the period when the Elvish solar calendar began to be used as the Sun began it's cycle. And guess what? The year duration was 365.2430556 days... approximately around 11,000-12,000 B.C. !

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