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It's a fish I'd like to duck.

The bot has not done a great job here. It's a very long (but worthwhile) read. Kind of incredibly depressing also.

one of us, one of us

I see what you're saying, and perhaps you're right. I am more hopeful, though. Plenty of Israelis support Palestine and in the early days the Palestinians welcomed the Jews. It's not fair to simply dismiss vast groups of people as irrational or terrorists. At one point in time these people got along, and even though a lot has happened since then I don't think it's impossible to get back there.

I think Western support does play a large role, it's the reason why the Israeli military is what it is and probably why Israel feels free to indiscriminately attack Palestine. If our support was more conditional and not so one sided it would encourage cooperation and more peaceful resolutions.

I think I may have misunderstood you, I thought you were saying that America was responsible for Israel.

You don't have to kill all the Israeli's to get rid of Israel. Nations are made by people accepting that they exist. Before Israel was Israel it was just a bunch of politically savvy zionists who started telling people to move there. With a lot of wealthy Jewish investors they just started buying land and refusing to let Palestinians work on it. Over time and with enough established countries recognising Israel as its own thing, that's what it became.

If tomorrow the entire world just decided that Israel didn't exist then it would cease to, they may object but they'd be invaders occupying land that doesn't belong to them. It might sound silly but this is how Israel was created.

That's not how it started at all, the Brits have a lot more to do with this one.

This is ridiculous, the first anti zionists were all Jewish. Some were even assassinated for their views. Zionism should not be conflated with Jewishness at all.

Judge really couldn't find a better phrase than 'miscarriage of justice'

I tip less often than the average American because I'm from Australia. Also tipping is dehumanising, no one should have to dance for their supper.

That's a pretty good way to put it.

Yeah, I just want cheaper rent, but realistically that'll never happen.