[-] technom@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

I thought IBM was still stuck with Watson. Have they moved on?

[-] technom@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

Uuuh, am I no true Scotsman?

That's a terrible and disingenuous take. I'm saying that you won't understand why it's useful till you've used it. Spinning that as no true Scotsman fallacy is just indicative of that ignorance.

You keep iterating the same arguments as the rest here, and I still adhere to my statement above: hardly anybody needs those tools.

And you keep repeating that falsehood. Isn't that the real no true Scotsman fallacy? How do you even pretend to know that nobody needs it? You can't talk for everyone else. Those who use it find it useful in several other ways that I and others have explained. You can't just judge it away from your position of ignorance.

[-] technom@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

They really ought to have version masking like in Gentoo portage.

[-] technom@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

You don't have any evidence, much less anecdotal evidence. Things don't become true just because you insist.

[-] technom@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

Have you tried Linux or the BSDs? Having spent a lot of time on Linux and Windows, the former feels like a well oiled machine with many fine tuning screws, while the latter feels like a rusted old trunk that needs a crowbar to get anything done.

[-] technom@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

Isn't that what genetic algorithms were about?

[-] technom@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

It’s been 8 years and they’ve done nothing and still haven’t.

My uploads from the day discord released are still there.

Is there any guarantee that they won't? The same statement has been repeated for many such platforms and has proven to be completely myopic. Reddit has a 20 year history and they still managed to screw its entire user base. This argument is very weak is because it relies entirely on the benevolence of a for-profit company, to whom their profits outweigh the interests of their user base. All the alternatives mentioned here have a way to replicate and archive the data for future searches - they don't depend on anyone's benevolence.

The criticism that you have to make an account to use a search feature which many forums already do makes no sense.

I don't know the exotic logic you rely on. But I can search forum posts from Google or DuckDuckGo without ever registering. Let's see you search Discord messages without installing a crappy client (their web interface is lobotomized), registering and possibly giving up your phone number in the process.

There were many times I couldn’t find a Reddit thread using a web search whereas I could immediately find it using reddits built-in search.

You are attacking a strawman. The target you choose to prove your point is Reddit? The company that screwed its entire userbase in order to cut off their competitors from data access - which is the reason why they don't work well with searches? People don't like Discord for the same reasons as Reddit. Both are silos meant to lock users in.

Most of the search engines aren’t actually that good because there is too much noise in most web browser results these days.

If you know the exact website or app where the discourse for your topic is happening then 99% of the time you have far better results just using that websites built in search instead of the trash results modern browsers give you.

This is laughably inaccurate. So, you're just making up facts now? I do web searches on technical problems and search engines perform very well. Your claim doesn't stand up in an actual test.

May I remind you that situation you’re describing already happened countless times since the days of free forum boards and irc channels going down. Yet we’ve always managed to keep things going.

There is a reason why Discord is not searchable online - it's a silo by design. And they intend to monetize it someday. Doing that today will affect the growth of their platform. But some day when their growth slows down and once they've achieved lock-in, they will start restricting it. Even if you have reasons to believe that the current management has no reasons to do so, they will get acquired by someone else lacking the same sensibilities. You should be completely blind to not see this play out again and again and again. Reddit is the most recent example. If you think that it isn't going to happen with Discord, then you're just deluding yourself about the value you represent to a for-profit company.

On the other hand, those forums and IRC servers that you claim to have gone down, have backups and searchable archive because they are designed with them in mind. Longevity of information is not an accident - it's by design.

Things shutting down and information needing to be found again is not a big deal.

You're making up nonsense again. May be it's not important to you. But they are important to FOSS projects and their users. They don't just want to be able to pull up solutions to previously encountered problems - they depend on the traceability of the said information. You wouldn't have made such nonsensical claim if you were seriously involved in a project.

Yes I and most of the world are willing to not cry about making an account for that guaranteed stability.

The statistics of this entire discussion doesn't agree with your statement. But let's forget that for now. You're not crying about making an account or stability of the platform because you're foolish enough to believe in those. You don't have the insight required to observe what's happening all around you. I can't wait for the day to come back and say 'I told you so'. Because it will happen. Nowhere in history has it happened in any other way.

[-] technom@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I can't understand how the people advocating for Discord in place of support forums can be so tone deaf about the core complaints others have about Discord.

Discord's search feature is worthless to me and a huge section of others. The search results don't show up on web searches. Web search indices are important because they aggregate information from many sources. Forums like Discourse don't have that problem. With Discord, you instead have to install a shitty electron app and register an account just to do the above mentioned search. Sometimes, they even force you to give them your phone number. No - I don't want to do that for every software problem I need to resolve. Even plain mailing list archives are miles ahead in that aspect.

Meanwhile, the community discussions are stuck inside a proprietary silo that appears convenient until the company decides to profit from it through eventual and inevitable enshittification. At that point, the rest of the world will be left looking for a way to free those discussions.

[-] technom@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

I think enterprises are the early adopters and proponents of Rust. They seem so stoked about the memory safety aspect.

[-] technom@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

It's more likely we'll see a new browser with Servo rather than Firefox replacing Gecko with it - especially after Mozilla's recent wayward behavior starting with cutting Rust and Servo lose. But even more likely is Servo becoming a backend for Tauri. Anything beyond that will depend on the developers' persistence.

[-] technom@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

Syntax isn't the scary part - it's the concepts. You need a decent understanding of the hardware to make sense of the language rules. Rust has a lot of high-level abstractions (like other modern languages and unlike C). But they don't deviate from what the hardware limitations dictate.

[-] technom@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

Is there an article I can refer to? This isn't an easy topic to search for.

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