tornavish

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[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No, they call it a Democracy. So, from your perspective it must be a democracy

[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

So you would say the United States is a Democracy?

[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 1 points 8 months ago

So you fail to make any other argument than calling me a racist? Well, I’ll accept the win and remember this for the future.

[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

Not everything inevitably becomes corrupt. I agree that it is very idealistic for humanity. Greed is far too Irresistible.

Just because there have been no successful forms of pure communism, Doesn’t mean we can start calling China actual communism. That’s changing where the bar is.

China is SINO or, CINO I suppose in this context.

[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 33 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Unless she’s “slamming” I’m not jamming.

[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 48 points 8 months ago

Well, considering the news that a large portion of the maga online influencers are actually from foreign countries, I think maybe it’s not just their own doing…

[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

OK, provide some citations that argue against those, or… Don’t respond

[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 3 points 8 months ago (6 children)

China has pushed huge numbers of people into poverty in different ways over the decades — the Great Leap Forward basically wrecked agriculture and caused a massive famine, the Cultural Revolution tore apart schools and workplaces and left tons of families with nothing, and long-term policies like the hukou system kept rural migrants stuck in low-income situations even as cities got richer. On top of that, big relocation projects for dams or new city districts have displaced whole communities with compensation that often didn’t match what they lost, and pollution from rapid industrialization has hit farmers and fishers hard. Outside China, some Belt and Road projects have piled unsustainable debt onto poorer countries, aggressive fishing in disputed waters has squeezed local fishers in Southeast Asia, sudden trade restrictions have hurt industries in neighboring economies, and resource extraction deals abroad have pushed aside local communities.

References (searchable titles):

  • The Great Famine: China’s Great Leap Forward, 1958–1962 – Frank Dikötter
  • The Cultural Revolution: A People’s History – Frank Dikötter
  • China’s Hukou System and Migrant Workers – China Labor Bulletin
  • Dam Displacement in China – Human Rights Watch
  • Pollution and Poverty in Rural China – World Bank reports
  • Belt and Road Initiative Debt Sustainability Analysis – Center for Global Development
  • South China Sea Fisheries and Regional Livelihoods – Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative
  • China’s Trade Retaliation Effects – Peterson Institute for International Economics
  • Chinese Overseas Resource Projects and Local Impacts – Global Witness
[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 11 points 8 months ago (10 children)

You can say we are out of touch with reality but that does not make your reality actual reality. To be a communist country you cannot have billionaires. If you have billionaires then not everyone is equal. That is the end of the conversation

[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Oh, so that’s what they mean by free Tibet!

[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Don’t forget about the Native Americans. It’s not like China has ever done that. The people of Tibet asked for it.

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