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Hi, there have been some controversy on lemmy and in particular lemmy.ml with regards to affiliation with Putin.

I was wondering what were the point of view of the owner of Lemmy.world on the topic.

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[–] ruud@lemmy.world 99 points 1 year ago (9 children)

My political views are not important, we just have a set of rules and as long as you follow these any decent polite discussion would be possible.

I'm also not going to ban !ajax@lemmy.world just because I support a different team..

[–] AyyLMAO@exploding-heads.com 15 points 1 year ago

A very respectable stance that I believe will let communities flourish. Not just your community.

[–] DiligentCod@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I think no one would blame you or complain if you ban Ajax

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

My political views are not important, we just have a set of rules and as long as you follow these any decent polite discussion would be possible.

Thank you! This is by far the best approach.

[–] mikehunt@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Thank you for being awesome.

[–] bostondrivingisworse@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

...isn't there a point at which it's not just 'politics', though? Like mass killing of civilians and genocide?

Like... C'mon. This should be an easy one.

Edit: haha, Taiwan numbah one! Fuck Putin!

[–] ChaosAD@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

You are super awesome!!!

[–] cura@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Will you consider defederating lemmygrad.ml?

[–] skeletorsass@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Defederation should be a last resort when an instance is always making problems outside of itself or have illegal content. Otherwise it is better for the network to remain connected and not partitioned and for blocks and moderation to deal with problems. Respectful community members should be allowed to participate respectfully all over the network regardless of their views as long as they behave.

For example I personally am very critical of Israel, and would not want a Palestinian instance defederated, but at the same time, an Israeli instance deserves to be allowed to enjoy it as well even if the two are very likely to have different views.

[–] nivenkos@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Does it accomplish much? The same users can just create accounts on lemmy.ml or here.

The brigading is an issue, but defederating doesn't seem like a huge help right now.

Doesn't defederating mean posts won't show up? That seems like probably the main reason to defederate. You'll never stop people from creating new accounts or a new instance, but defederating creates friction forcing people to take an alternative route if they want to troll.

Regarding lemmygrad, has there been any trolling via alt accounts on instances that have defederated? Even if I disagree with their politics they seem generally respectful of the communities. But I've been away from Lemmy for a while so maybe I've missed something.

[–] certain_people@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Oxygen of publicity spreads toxicity. Defederation would take away a huge part of their potential to reach people, if they're being toxic.

[–] FantasticFox@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It makes it harder. I doubt most people are that determined.

[–] lhx@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago

Well, I’d say they’re more important than you’re letting on. Hypothetically speaking (and not lobbing accusations), if you for example supported the modern Nazi movement, that would be something your users should know.

Might be nice to hear you’re not pro-Putin though without specifics.