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[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 129 points 1 month ago (4 children)

!rcv@ponder.cat

Any third party that's telling you to vote for them under FPTP, but isn't heavily promoting RCV to fix the system, isn't trying to win. They're trying to spoil the FPTP election.

RCV is already law in a surprisingly large number of places. It may change the majority in the house in this upcoming election, because the difference in vote-counting within the two states that use it for US congressional elections might be enough to change the razor-thin outcome.

RCV is on the ballot, in one form or another, in 7 states and DC this year. Go vote. You might be able to fix the system, and move toward the future that all the people in this thread who are being vocal about Jill Stein say that they want. Remember back when marijuana was illegal? That changed. This can change too, and it would be glorious, for a lot of important goals that a lot of people claiming to support Jill Stein claim they're supportive of. It would be practical and realistic. It would work.

Anyone in this thread who is saying Jill Stein is extremely important, but haven't been saying anything about ranked choice voting or changing the voting system to make third parties realistic: Why? What's your goal, why did you make that decision about your priorities?

The answer is obvious, of course. But it's fun to ask.

@anticolonialist@lemmy.world, why?

I'll add more @s as more people pipe up. They always do.

Register and vote, for RCV as well as for Harris. We have 25 more days.

https://www.vote.org/

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The most important youtube video in politics:

Https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo

[–] rsuri@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

This video was clearly created by leopard supporters who just wanna be mad at tiger for leopard's failure to beat gorilla. Leopards are basically just light gorillas. Vote tiger.

[–] flames5123@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

RCV is just slightly better than FTP. Let’s go with the bests and support STAR now. If we do all RCV now, we can rage the system in the next 40 years due to people saying “but we just changed it!”

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Star is flawed too, it incentivises people who are voting for the underdog to not rank any other candidate or your own ballot could spoil your preferred candidate. If all thrid party voters voted to mathmatically optimize their candidates chance, Star voting wouldn't change anything for them. RCV is better if you're trying to actually engage thrid parties.

Star doesn't fix the 'spoiler effect' unless you decide not to give your preferred candidate the largest mathematical advantage your ballot can provide, and if you do want to ballot optimize, you should only rank one person, and then were right back to where we started.

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

RCV in single member electorates is pretty meh, and yeah RCV in general has its issues. But saying it's "slightly better" than FPTP is a MASSIVE understatement.

Change begets change, don't be against changing to something much better, just because it isn't perfect.

we could do what maine is doing, i think it's either RCV or IRV. Whatever the difference is, if there is one.