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Context matters. In the ancient world starvation was a constant threat, so a source of concentrated calories like honey could in some cases be a matter of life and death despite the dangers of getting that honey. In industrial society we have in many cases the opposite problem - the majority of the top causes of death are lifestyle diseases which ultimately come down to overconsumption and sedentary lifestyles. Too much dietary fat, especially too much saturated fats, too much sugar, too much refined foods, too much concentrated calories, too much easily consumed liquid calories.
By contrast vegans by far have the easiest time maintaining balanced bodyweight levels.
If you all could learn to let go of your prejudice you might learn to recognize that doing the right things for animal's rights is also some of the best things you could do for yourself. These "vegans" you hate so much are just trying to get you to stop self-harming.
I think they're making a comment on the way vegans communicate their worldview to others, not necessarily a fixation on honey.
There's also an argument that diet should contribute to thriving, not simply existing in the most convenient way to balance bodyweight.
If your goal is to build strength and muscle, an all vegan diet will be less effective than supplementing a similar diet with animal proteins. Every few years, a top contact sport athlete will give a full vegan diet a go, but they invariably fall back on animal protein because they can't build the mass required.
Ultimately, it's all individual choice and body chemistry.
There were multiple vegans at the Olympics this year.
If you are looking for bodybuilders here you go:
https://www.setforset.com/blogs/news/vegan-bodybuilders
I've come to understand that the healthiest people aren't vegans.
It's just that despite often lacking certain nutrients, vegan diets tend to enforce being at least kind of healthy unless you go ridiculously overboard on fruit or vegan junkfood.
But eating beef/honey/eggs being "self-harming"? Fuck you very much.
I am completely disinterested in your arguments, and will continue buying ridiculously good foods from abusive sources. Sources that I'd prefer to regulate in terms of animal rights, but every time that comes up, you people divert the conversation to "if you're not gonna be vegan you're evil either way so it doesn't matter" and everyone tunes out.
Pack it up, vegans. This person was going to wish upon a star to regulate animal agriculture, which would've done it, but we just had to go and advocate for making material changes on a level we have control over, and that forced them to be explicitly fine with abuse. If only we had your thoughts and prayers, what a horrible miscalculation on our part.
Thoughts and prayers? No. Fines. Potentially jailtime. Potentially forcing them to sell farms and factories.
But you do not want it. You're delusional and thinking the animals will just have to endure for a little while longer while you're working on getting the entire planet to switch to a vegan diet.
Besides, you need the worst cases to stay around.
You need to film conversion content, and it'll have to be fresh and gruesome content to be effective.
And how do you intend to implement those things? Thoughts and prayers.
Yes. Because we don't know how to vote.
Oh, which candidate that supports those things you mentioned were you going to vote for but now aren't? Love to hear even a single name.
Of course, you can't answer that, because that's not a realistic path in the short term. Let's say you were going to run for office on that platform. First, the major corporations that have a vested interest in keeping things the way they are are going to dump money into the opposition. Second, people will oppose it because it would increase the price of meat - they'll say you're an elitist who wants to make it so that only the rich can have access to it, and emphasize the effect it'll have on grocery bills. They'll also talk about the environmental impact your regulations would cause, since it would take more land to treat animals humanely. And they will also call you a hypocrite for refusing to give up meat while calling the production process unethical, to the point of being deserving of jail time.
So explain to me how exactly you would've overcome those obstacles, if only us mean insidious vegans weren't so preoccupied with asking you to give up your treats.
Whomst amongus could've predicted that you couldn't answer?
The animal rights movement was genuinely kind of strong until you fucks went hardcore in public the last couple decades, sabotaging it.
Before that public sentiment was going our way. Now it's more or less set in stone that humanity will without pause continue abusing animals in truly gruesome ways for at least a few more generations, with a minority vegan population. You're ignorant of how you shaped the future of these animals, by making animals rights activism far less popular than it was and should've stayed you made it significantly easier to disregard animal rights activism as unimportant noise almost nobody will pay attention to.. The vegans of the 2000's and 2010's should've been compensated handsomely by factory farm corporations for all the work they did to make a mockery of animal rights.
Oops, you forgot to answer my question again.
Cut the crap. It's plain as day what's happening here - you want to discredit the people who are actually doing things in order to make yourself feel better about not doing anything. It's just a defense mechanism, and the person you're really trying to fool us yourself.
There is no candidate. You'd need to succeed in the democratic process, something your faction's efforts have prevented.
Of course, it has nothing to do with corporate money or higher prices for consumers, it's purely the people not participating in the system of abuse who are the problem. Very logical and definitely not just a defense mechanism.
The gymnastics involved in actively participating in killing and eating animals but calling yourself an animal activist is impressive.
I'm guessing you did your own testing to come to the conclusion that the healthiest diet includes meat and dairy, right?
And there it is, you practically just asked me to either go vegan or stop giving a shit about animal rights. Because what I am is incompatible with your understanding of animal rights.
For all practical purposes, I don't give that much of a shit. So I'm basically slotting almost entirely into the mould you expect me to; I'm not in the streets shouting or in government buildings appealing that my minority concern should be considered for influencing regulation.
I'm instead on the internet talking about my support for it, and why vegans chastising insufficiently committed support for it has reduced support for it ... with vegans actively chastising my insufficiently committed support for it.