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[–] fireshell@lemmy.ml 38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

it's a pity that politics is penetrating more and more into open source and FOSS.

recently support for Russian cloud providers was cut out of opentofu. https://github.com/opentofu/registry/pull/824

now this. this is, of course, natural the core and many components of modern distributions have not been free in terms of decision-making for a long time and are under the influence of large companies, which in turn are under the influence of the USA.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 46 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

It's a fact of life that politics permeates everything, nothing is in isolation of the political climate it exists within.

The state of the world today is a function of the politics that got us here, a big change in world politics can have dramatic and far reaching effects.

A healthy global FOSS culture requires collaborative politics to be the flavour of the day—which is unfortunately not the case in a lot of countries currently.

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

A healthy global FOSS culture requires collaborative politics to be the flavour of the day

Bullshit. There's no reason people with political differences can't collaborate on the same project, unless those differences are really huge.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago

Politics is not just the relationship between two people, it's the relationship between a person and everyone/everything else in the world.

Reducto ad absurdum: would you suggest a world where every country is at war with everyone else would foster a better environment for global FOSS collaboration than one where the world was at complete peace?

I honestly thought the statement you quoted was entirely uncontroversial. "Healthy" and "global" being the key words, I'm not saying it's a requirement for FOSS to exist in general or anything.

[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com 1 points 2 months ago

@0x0 @9point6 That's my take and the universal betterment of mankind that results will bring people closer together. You might even realize someone not sharing your viewpoint is just as human.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago

Well for what its worth there are other counties outside of Russia

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)

FOSS has always been political. And usually fairly reactionary.

[–] bear@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Agree with the former, not the latter.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

See: the FOSS higs that all flipped out when contributor agreements with codes of conduct like "don't be homophobic or racist" started popping up.

It was quite a struggle and there is still a large old guard that simply refuses to move on it.

[–] bear@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You're greatly overestimating how many people that is; additionally, it was largely people that aren't very committed to FOSS that got mad. The project maintainers and most users are fine with it. People who are committed to FOSS ideals are overwhelmingly progressive to leftist. That's why those codes of conduct were added in the first place, and were largely uncontroversial amongst most actual contributors of those projects.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

The projects that have those codes of conduct are the ones where any reactionary maintainers could be overruled. You have to look to the projects that have never had codes of conduct, the old guard and Incelie techbro spaces. Brave's CEO is a homophobe, for example. This has been known for years, he still makes homophobic comments. Brave does not have a code of conduct or community guidelines. And basically anyone that notices and tries to address an issue like racism or transphobia with a repo suddenly finds a mass of reactionaries coming out of the woodwork.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

We had a time of peace everyone was dependent on each other. Now the world is fragmenting and we we’ll probably have war or at least high tension between the parties.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What was this alleged time of peace you speak of?

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

@possiblylinux127 @TheOubliette Four years ago was certainly more peaceful than today.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I might frame it as less embroiled in open war and extermination.

[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

@TheOubliette i don't think there is any way you can measure and/or frame it that my statement is not true.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

To split hairs, saying "more peaceful" implies it was peaceful in the first place and even is now, just less so. I don't think it was peaceful at either point. Which why I am framing it as a status quo of violence that was lesser 4 years ago and greater now.

[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

@TheOubliette I don't like to choose between evils, but when not given the choice I'll choose the lesser.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

I don't know what you mean

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It depends on how you measure it. That was the start of covid so people were dying

[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com 1 points 2 months ago

@possiblylinux127 Whether you measure it by the sheer number of conflicts, their average size, or the number of people dying as a result.

[–] griefstricken@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 months ago

To be honest, the only reason why any of that appeared to be true, or the west appeared to uphold free speech, just like free trade policies and laissez faire approach to international finance, that was all just because Wall St did not feel threatened, that was all just because the propaganda was received unthinkingly for the past 30 years or so. Especially between 2001 and the first part of the financial crash.