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I understand that online this inaccurate sentiment is in the 24-hour news cycle so you'll see a lot of inaccurate articles today, but in real life, Biden has proven himself with direct legislative and personal action to be the most pro-union pro-working class president in decades.
If you're unaware of the legislative actions he's dedicated to the working class during his presidency alone(higher wages, union rights, employee rights and so on), you can check out this list:
https://www.americanprogressaction.org/article/8-ways-the-biden-administration-has-fought-for-working-people-by-strengthening-unions/
The problem is that the bar is so low that this is true
The qualifier isn't even necessary.
bar notwithstanding, even by the measures of a progressive presidency, the legislation biden has dedicated to and enacted for the working class is very impressive.
That can't be said about the measures taken by any other president in at least half a century.
So you agree with Bernie that he wasn’t helping the working class?
middle class
noun
nope, if you read the rest of the comment detailing unions, employee rights and wages, you may be able to work out that "middle" is clearly a typo and the context is obviously the working class.
I wrote "working" class in the next sentence the second time I referenced biden's policies in the same comment.
The link in the same comment also mentions "working" people.
but at least you were super obnoxious about a typo for no reason!
Don't hurt yourself patting your own back.
My guy, you made a typo which undercut your own argument, this was not me being pedantic over something like spelling or sentence structure.
I’ll accept that I could have worded it better, but it was a genuine question after having read your post, touting “middle class” Biden policies.
"you made a typo which undercut your own argument,"
A single word that is very obviously referencing the working class like every other part of the comment, that you could only interpret as an "undercut" if you are not reading or understanding any of the rest of the comment and do not even read the title of the linked article referencing the working class.
"this was not me being pedantic"
I doubt you could get more pedantic.
you are focusing on a single word desperately trying to misunderstand the OP, every single other practical and context clue in three paragraphs of a comment, plus an article about the working class.
"it was a genuine question after having read your post"
is this true? you thought to yourself:
"hm, the post is about the working class, this commenter references the working class specifically, he references three working class issues biden made progress on, links an article specifically titled "working class", but he did type "middle" once in the second paragraph.
I can't tell what this comment is about!"
If you truly went through this process and that is the level of your reading comprehension, then I can leave it there, with my sympathies.
You’re interpreting “hey, this word you used is contrary to the rest of your argument - are you sure about your argument?” in a confrontational manner. Hence the question mark, and not something like “dumbass, Bernie was talking about the working class smh”. Hence the definition copypasta, because you (seemingly) conflated working class with middle class.
I can go back and absolutely re-read my post through the lens of condescension instead of a question, but so far you’re the only one who’s maintained an insulting tone.
"!You’re interpreting “hey, this word you used is contrary to the rest of your argument - are you sure about your argument?” in a confrontational manner. "
that is not what you wrote.
I'm interpreting what you wrote as confrontational because you wrote a completely different confrontational statement than your pretend-quote above.
despite the OP writing about the working class, me responding with the phrase"working class", pointing out three specific working class issues biden improved, linking an article titled "working class", you wrote:
"So you agree with Bernie that he wasn’t helping the working class?
middle class
noun
trying your hardest to ignore the post, comment, all of the context clues and available information so you could focus on a typo to come to an incorrect conclusion you could hold up with a pedantic flourish via boldtype and a definition.
you are being obnoxious, pedantic and confrontational.
If you were confused, you could have written:
"did you mean "working class"?
you wrote middle class."
instead, you went to the trouble of puzzling out a clearly incorrect conclusion despite all of the direct and contextual evidence, add boldtype unnecessarily, and very obnoxiously attach a definition to a phrase I'm obviously very familiar with since I'm talking about it with familiarity, citing specific examples and an article.
"Hence the question mark"
adding a question mark doesn't mitigate how obnoxious your comments are.
you're deliberately trying to misunderstand something so that you can attack me based on a minor error that is easily remedied and understood despite, within the context of the fuller comment or post.
you seem very happy to 1. lie about your direct quotes 2. lie about your intention based on those quotes 3. continue to defend those false quotes rather than apologizing and admitting you acted poorly.
The logical conclusion for your behavior is that you're trying to extend an argument, despite you not having a leg to stand on.
you can keep trying to make things up, and I will keep not letting that fly.
"I can go back and absolutely re-read my post..."
don't hurt yourself, who knows if you can manage the burden of glancing... or heaven forbid, reading?
question mark, so it's not confrontational?
I’m disengaging bc this is going nowhere and besides, sidebar rules - stay on topic.
Good of you to remember that guideline after you strolled off on a tangent half a dozen irrelevant, make-believe comments thick.
He literally shut down a strike and threatened to send the workers to jail if there were any work stoppages. If that’s the “most pro-union” the democrats have got, then the working class needs to abandon you entirely next election and form a third party, because you’re our enemies.
as i mentioned, you are quoting the same single misunderstood instance of perceived anti-union activity and are ignoring his entire administration's commitment to the working class, workers rights and increased wages, and unions.
give the article a read, it's a good article with plenty of supported facts.
It’s not “perceived” anti-union, it WAS anti-union. Stop trying to gaslight people. I do t give a shit how many platitudes he gave, he showed where he stood once, and that was enough. Just like no amount of his hand-wringing over Gaza changes the fact that he and Harris support the genocide, and planned to continue funding Israeli war crimes. He’s a shit human being, and an enemy of the people.
Biden’s labor report card: Historian gives ‘Union Joe’ a higher grade than any president since FDR
https://theconversation.com/bidens-labor-report-card-historian-gives-union-joe-a-higher-grade-than-any-president-since-fdr-228771
Clearly you're still refusing to read the article and unaware of what that union, who likes Biden, says about Biden.
you don't know what you're talking about.
and that's okay.
read the articles.
Biden didn't give "platitudes", he passed legislation that strengthened employee rights, raised employee wages, and strengthened unions.
he walked the picket line.
you are comically incorrect.
and stood on their picket line. go ahead, try giving that article a read if you can manage.
"He literally busted a strike".
this is the one example people are going to deliberately misinterpret so that you don't take the trouble to actually read about or understand his supportive working class or union policies, specifically the linked article above showing many of the legislative and direct action he's taken to help the work in class and the unions during his presidency.
you can click that link and literally follow other hyperlinks to the legislation established.
"It still amazes me his pr team..."
again, this is actual legislation and action, not PR. Stop blindly repeating headlines, they are inaccurate and you are twisting yourself up.
look for comprehensive evidence of concrete actions and consequences concerning your anxieties.
hint: objective, irrefutable evidence of biden's support for the middle class and unions is in that article I linked above