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Heinous to use someone’s tragic image and story beside your headline.
Also, "just" 3 deaths we know of. If you have read literally anything about abortions pre-Roe, I guarantee you that you're potentially missing at least one and maybe 2 zeros behind that. This also doesn't account for women who have been irreversibly harmed from attempting to access or perform off-the-books abortion care, or those who have to carry to term a child when pregnancy might harm them.
Also, "only" 3 deaths is still a tragedy. Those people had families. They had friends, coworkers, and lives. At least one of them was literally still a child. Trying to play a numbers game between people dead because of a law and the number of "babies saved" is ghoulish behavior.
So by your hypothetical count with zero support behind it, you could only come up with 300 dead potentially in the absolute worst case scenario vs 50,000 saved. So 49700 lives net.
Why do you want to kill babies? Are you just an evil person?
Let me turn that around: why are you OK with letting an 18 year old bleed to death, painfully, from what is an absolutely treatable condition because nobody would perform care that was too legally close to an abortion? Why are you OK with women dying and being harmed irreparably?
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2024/analysis-suggests-2021-texas-abortion-ban-resulted-in-increase-in-infant-deaths-in-state-in-year-after-law-went-into-effect
And on the subject, why are YOU ok with killing babies?
255 more deaths. Compared to 50,000 babies saved, I'd take it.
Why do you think 255 babies should be saved over 50,000 babies?
Fetuses, not babies.
Where are you getting that 50k number from? Is it based on the number of abortions performed in 2021? You don't, perhaps, think that women might be getting abortions out of state, or relying on better birth control methods, or are resorting to smuggling in Plan B? You think it's really a 1-to-1?
Birth control is not murder.
I'm sure there's probably been a couple out of state abortions, but they'd have to drive for 16 hours for it. It's banned in Louisiana and Oklahoma. Arkansas only allows it in emergencies. So you're talking about a hell of a drive and getting a hotel for a night or two. If you can't be bothered with a pill, are you really going to be bothered to road trip?
Birth control and abortion are 1:1 comparisons when we’re talking about nonviable pregnancies and fetuses that were raped into someone. Either they’re both murder or neither one is, you don’t get to pick and choose your morals just because you choose not to understand the ACTUAL ramifications.
Do you think folks who don’t want kids just magically turn into good parents when they’re forced to keep them? What do you think happens to all these babies that are being “saved”? You know that places that restrict abortion have higher teenage pregnancy right? And anywhere with higher teenage pregnancy also trends toward higher poverty, crime, untimely death, lower education, etc.
What’s your end game? Where do you think this goes?
My end game is less baby murder, and guess what happened? Less baby murder! Mission accomplished.
How are you so evil that you're advocating for baby murder?
find a different strawman
Everyone can easily read what you wrote, don't even pretend that you didn't.
Everyone can see you responding to a single sentence of a whole point, don’t even pretend that you didn’t.