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[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world -1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

I think we can track down several times two state option was on the table, starting as early as 68

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Very cool and false. But now everyone accepts it except Israel.

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world -1 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

What is the benefit from lying? I don't get it. This is all basic info.

The two-state solution is supported by many countries, and the Palestinian Authority. Israel currently does not support the idea, though it has in the past. The first proposal for separate Jewish and Arab states in the territory was made by the British Peel Commission report in 1937.

It was also on the table at Camp David.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

How does that prove they're lying about Israel currently not supporting it?

Right now they're wanting to just take the land after eliminating the people who lived there

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Because I said it was on the table several times in the past. And they wrote:

Very cool and false

???

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 5 hours ago

Yes because they've (Israel) always negotiated in good faith. Even the camp David accords was a 2 state solution in name only

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml -1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Ok now explain why Israel does not accept the deal since Hamas does accept it.

I do not have to read any history to disprove your lies. I can open the news right now.

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

You are correct. Israel, in the present does not accept the two state solution. Hence why I was talking about the past.

  1. Why was it rejected by PLO when it was on the table?.

  2. Show me where Hamas is open to a two state solution.

  3. What is the meaning of "from the river to the sea"

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Why was it turned down, Geneva? Care to elaborate?

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Because Israel is a Nazi esque apartheid.

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Wow. What an insightful response. I stand by what I said earlier: You guys have no idea what you're talking about.