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[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

A needed reminder, thanks, that of all Trump's many crimes, 1/6/2021 probably isn't in the top ten.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world -2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If he doesn’t halt arms shipments to Israel on day 1, he’ll immediately be guilty of the worst crime a person can commit.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Or, just like every president in the last 80 years.

How about we keep Halting Genocide as a goal, but stop using it as a metric to decide "better" is just as bad as "the worst ever".

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

No, not the same. Much worse during this genocide. Biden is currently in violation of both domestic & international law in continuing to arm during genocide.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I have bad news for you about literally every other American president.

Carter and JFK are the only ones in recent memory who even had little caveats attached. It wasn't all that long ago when we were doing our own little Gaza operations in Central America, instead of having to arm someone else's.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So whataboutism to defend genocide now?

I want all of them held accountable, too, but do not rewrite history to pretend we have always been this lax. Biden is the first president to allow Israel to go this far, to the point that it even violates our own extremely lax regulations on arming these.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 2 points 3 days ago

Oh, no, I wasn't at all saying that Biden wasn't enabling a genocide. He clearly is. Just saying that accusing an American president of violating domestic & international law is kind of, like, yes, at the Hague he would have to get in a long line.

As far as "first" I think you can make an argument either way. No one did anything but allow the Nakba in the first place, and Biden was the first president to put sanctions on settlers, and the first president since Reagan to pause weapons shipments. But, he's also been fighting to keep arming them the whole time they've been escalating their unilateral "war" to unprecedented levels, and you can blame him for that, sure.

Part of the reason I keep talking down to you and not really taking you seriously is that you seem to be hell-bent on painting me as someone who supports what Israel is doing or Biden's doing to support them in it. That shows that you're either talking in bad faith, or you have mental / comprehension problems to the point that there isn't much point in me telling you anything, because you'll just replace it with whatever you feel like wishing that I had said, instead. Start accepting the idea that I can reject genocide and condemn Biden for supporting it, while still disagreeing with you on other things, and we can talk.