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ITT: everyone says they're bad without giving any examples, telling you what to think instead of letting you form your own conclusions.
I gave several examples.
https://lemmy.ca/post/3326347 https://lemm.ee/post/4543536 https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/2017079 https://lemmy.world/post/2498330
ITT: the example is in the past and OP is asking why they're bad.
If there's no link it's not an example it's an anecdote.
Worse moderation than Reddit subs. Will ban any views that don’t fit their narratives. Just got a server wide ban for giving links showing how the ceasefire was reached by promising the right wing factions more of the West Bank as Trumps largest donor intended.
You know mod logs on Hexbear are public, right? It's very, very clear that "giving links" is not why you were banned.
Yes I’m aware. Please quote or link whatever you think is ban worthy. Nice alt btw.
They're decent people as long as you don't argue politics with them... I think
Sometimes I like hexbear, agree with them and laugh with them, and sometimes their insular attitude makes me cringe. I am very critical of the democratic establishment in the US but hexbear’s “blueMAGA” talk is really offputting to me and sounds like the incel / redpill speak from parts of reddit and other online communities.
Given the liberal meltdown post election and inability to self reflect about the landslide loss, blue MAGA is entirely fitting.
"I'll be glad when they all get deported or end up in camps, serves them right for being anti-genocide single issue voters."
Totally rational statement.
Define Blue Maga for me, I haven't seen a consistent explanation.
Blue MAGA to me (everyone’s gonna have a different definition) are liberals who can’t accept any criticism or self reflection about the democrats or why they lost, and immediately knee jerk reaction to anyone criticizing dems as being trump supporters and being happy trump won. At their most extreme, they’re also fascists, saying shit like “I hope you end up in camps, I hope you get deported, I hope they kill you, etc”. (I’m a visibly queer woman)
They have the political understanding of young children and can’t comprehend why their party lost in a landslide (dems lost the presidency, the house, the senate, state governments, local elections) and immediately conclude it’s because of identity politics - racism, transphobia, queer phobia, hates women, hates immigrants, etc. because that’s what the MSM has been drilling into their soft little heads for the last decade now. If they actually talked to trump voters, third party voters and non voters they’d learn how wrong they are.
It’s so simplistic it reminds me of when George w bush blamed 9/11 on Muslims because “they hate us and they hate our freedoms” and not the real reason: those involved hate our imperialism, our capitalism, and our foreign policy for good fucking reason being on the receiving end of our bullshit for decades. And look around you, well you’re on a Canadian instance so maybe not but - Al queda won.
Edit: also I just wanted to add - I at one point canvassed for the democrats on behalf of Bernie’s campaign in 2016. And I’ll never ever vote democrat again. I held my nose for biden and immediately regretted it over a whole slew of issues but israel most importantly. But after the smug contempt the party holds the working class in and shoves their shitty neoliberal candidates who actively make my life worse while pretending theyre my ally down our throats I’m done with democrats for good. If they can’t hold a primary they can’t go around bleating about how they’re saving democracy. Not all of us are as stupid as the blue MAGAs who believe that idiocy.
Anyone who thinks its the people that fail the party and not the other way around. So basically anyone who blames the people for not voting dem, instead of blaming the dems for not putting forth an appealing program that would represent the voters. You know, like in a democracy.
MAGA is a movement that glorifies a Hitler like figure who has promised to put tens of millions of honest workers in concentration camps because somehow immigrants are the cause of all their woes. These folks were both willing to deny any loss for any reason and willing to kill their neighbors in a civil war to "take their county back" if they lose.
"bluemaga" are people what mad that America's Hitler won?
bluemaga were coming to the defense of Genocide Joe until the very last second and the only thing that made them switch was a bad TV performance. They didn't care about the genocide, it was a bad TV performance that made them go "uuuh not a good look sweaty" and then they started rooting for the genocides second-in-command. They're mad Hitler won because they were rooting for Mussolini
Damn what a fucking burn right there. But they’ll still never get what the problem is, because they’re liberals and so long as the west keeps delivering treats to the well off coastal suburban liberal base the democrats can do nothing wrong. Genocide? What genocide? Trump will be worse! meanwhile trumps getting a ceasefire in place (which granted who knows if Israel will actually follow or if everyone’s full of shit) with the same conditions as the one biden offered months ago, only this time yahoo is agreeing to it. Liberal talking points aging like milk so far.
And for the record, I voted third party, and I’ll continue to drink liberal tears. The democrats would rather lose to a fascist than adopt leftist positions.
I remember this comment https://lemmy.world/comment/10079489 because it's such a good view into the average treatler brain. They believe Trump would be good for them but out of the kindness of their hearts they're willing to sacrifice some imagined treats and those ethnicities better be grateful for it.
I can’t see the comment can you quote it? It’s probably from someone I blocked for being a dumb and annoying liberal
LOLLLLL dude has the political understanding of frog or something.
I’d love to know what this guy considers to be “left”.
Edit - also that’s less about treats and more about identity, branding and marketing. Like dudes who drive F350 pickup trucks to do a Walmart run. It’s all identity and cosplaying “a real man!” Meanwhile their F350 is spotless and looks like it came off the lot yesterday.
Blue MAGA is the cult like belief that the democrats can do nothing wrong and any criticism of them is a vote for trump. It’s idiotic, just like their red MAGA counterparts. They’re willing to accept a genocide so long as their team wins.
Blue maga is a stupid stupid term by stupid stupid people
You’re just mad because it’s about you. What’s stupid is thinking voting blue no matter who being a winning strategy. That worked out for ya didn’t it. Lost the presidency, the senate, the house, numerous state governments and local elections. Great job liberals! You’d rather lose to fascists than embrace leftist positions.
Like 99.9999% of liberals I'm not actually in charge of the Democratic party or their broader strategy. Come election season I can choose
A) To vote against republicans in the general election B) To vote for more liberal parties in primaries
That is basically it. The effects of electing Republicans is often substantial risk to our nation and to myself personally so I cannot afford to score political points by voting third party nor is there good reason to believe this would be effective. The historical fact for 40 years has been that winners on the left side of the aisle had to appear attractive to moderates and liberals which limited how far left it was useful to get. Not to mention most far left positions are bad for the rich and corporations at least in the short run which leads to money drying up and the moderates who get said funding and more support from fellow moderates winning.
Basically folks like you are threatening other folks with losing if they don't execute a losing strategy. This is why it didn't happen because you weren't actually offering a path towards victory. Maybe after Trump completely ass fucks our country and probably impoverishes it for a generation we will actually have more will for real change but I wouldn't have chosen to sacrifice my family to achieve it.
My family has already been sacrificed and impoverished by numerous liberal and conservative governments. I’m not voting for democrats ever again. To hell with this country, let it burn and suffer as greatly as my family has. Chefs kiss when AI takes over the liberal elites jobs and suddenly their learn to code condescension comes back to fucking bite them, it will be well deserved.
All strategies by our imperialist capitalist governments are losing strategies and biden/Harris was not the less bad choice. They are equally bad for different reasons and only liberals can’t seem to get that through their propagandized minds.
My family has been impoverished since basically fucking forever and I thus have little space for performative shit by shit stains who would kick us while we are down to make what they misperceive as a point
Ah yes, liberals. Painting rainbows in the road while not protecting queer rights, flying BLM flags while electing a cop.
Why are the worst takes always from world users???? This fucking close to blocking the whole damn instance.
Voting third party while the choice is between normal if shitty and a literal fascist dictator who wants to put millions of people in concentration camps knowing that a lot of people may literally die if we lose at this juncture is performative shittiness.
Both are fascist, dingbat. ~60k murdered under biden in Gaza and millions more in his failed covid policy. But yeah, sure, “lesser evil” whatever the fuck you tell yourself to sleep at night while the democrats completely fail us.
Millions were not killed by Bidens covid policy nor was he in any fashion fascist outside of your fantasies
Yeah, let’s rewrite history, liberal.
Shit libs having the worst takes, name a more iconic duo.
Please explain how Biden's policies killed millions
His covid policy was essentially “let it rip” and he cut covid benefit programs which forced people to work when sick or immune compromised.
Our leaders could of put an effort into systemic solutions for covid - funding schools to replace their HVAC systems for example - and they should of pushed masking more with legitimate N95s instead of the baggy surgicals or worse the cloth masks, and not mandated vaccines. The vaccines did not work at stopping the spread, and the idea that they lessened severity is theoretical (omicron came out around the same time as the vaccines and was not as deadly or serious as delta which killed otherwise healthy young people by the thousands). By forcing people to vaccinate or lose their jobs, people just wholesale discounted the entire pandemic rather than take other meaningful precautions. And keeping kids out of school was a mistake.
And he still owes me $600 that fucking racist Zionist bastard.
The vaccines kept those vulnerable parties from dying. The fact that vaccinated people had less severe cases isn't theoretical it is extremely well studied. It was reasonable to suppose it would slow the spread as less chance of infection means less chance of spreading it but factually vaccinated people were much more likely to take risks ergo this certainly more than canceled out benefits in that respect.
Also your concept that Biden killed millions is just un-mathmatical. The total deaths in the US after Biden took office is ~800,000. There aren't millions of deaths to lay at his feet period and laying even those 800k at Biden's feet is nonsense. Logically if you want to explore the impact of the president you would have to compare not vs a fantasy world in which there is no covid but a hypothetical one in which an alternative Biden made better choices with justification as to how your counterfactual is both foreseeable AND actionable.
For instance it makes no sense to ask 2021 Biden to act on scientific insight earned in 2023 or enact policies which is out of scope of his power, illegal, unconstitutional, or up to the states.
It is profoundly weird to blame the left for conservatives refusing to protect themselves or others and blame their entire weird psychotic philosophy with its own proponents, memes, influences, and twisted perception of the world on the lefts vaccine mandate. Relatively few actually lost their job and the the entire movement pre-existed covid and only gained additional adherents and credence.
Also by the time Biden came into power n95 was already promoted as better unless you think Biden is at fault for not getting Trump's regime to promote better masks.
To recap
1.2M died since 19ever not millions
Of those 800k died after Biden took office.
It's not clear that many could have been saved by superior federal policy.
Your claim that Biden's actions led to the deaths of millions appears to be your fantasy unsupported by any objective reality because you are both scientificly illiterate and don't even know how many people died.
The vaccine also hurt people like myself, I ended up with heart palpitations after the second shot and it didn’t stop me from getting covid which is what they told people, lying through their fucking teeth.
My body my choice when it comes to abortion, but your body my choice when it comes to a brand new untested vaccine? Yeah ok, great logic. Why should anyone trust the healthcare industry when all they do is treat us like livestock? Our entire economy is making people sick on non food and then selling them the treatment. It’s sickening. And liberals see nothing wrong with it???
They could of pushed masking with effective masks, they could of pushed distancing, they could of made systemic investments in air quality, but no. None of those are profitable. They all bought up pharmaceutical stocks and then shoved a vaccine down everyone’s throats and got rich off it.
They lied about how it spreads, they lied about masks, they lied about the origin of it, they lied and lied and lied. Why should anyone ever trust another public health official? And now they’re obfuscating h1n1 which is far more deadly and dangerous! Under biden!
And your numbers are wrong. 1.7 million died which is believed to be an undercount, 400k under trump the rest under biden.
Because we generally didn't get to pick between genocide and Trump it was between genocide and bigger genocide
That aged like milk.
This is literally the Biden deal negotiated in May 2024 and not instituted before election so as to avoid helping Biden. You are assigning Trump who isn't even president credit for Biden's peace deal.
False, the Israelis claim it was pressure from trump that sealed the deal, they were afraid trump would put American interests ahead of Israel’s whereas biden clearly lets them do whatever the fuck they want and writes them a blank check.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/foreign-policy/3291520/trump-pressure-netanyahu-closed-israel-hamas-peace-deal/
I don't think Bebe's regime should be deemed a reliable resource anymore than the Washington examiner.
Haaretz, AP and Reuters also reported that.
Perhaps you are failing to notice that I'm just taking a passing dig at the fact that you use a trash rag as a source and the actually unreliable party is Israel and reporting on a different party which is just reporting the literal statements of the unreliable party isn't itself more reliable
It truly depends on your own political views. What do you consider yourself?