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You can create your own community on lemmy.blahaj.zone! There's nothing preventing you from doing that. Lemmy is designed specifically for this scenario. If you do create one, I'd subscribe to it! It doesn't matter to me where the content is coming from as long as it's content I like. I'll subscribe to a dozen versions of 196. Nothing changes for me.
That's seriously underestimating the time it takes to create a new community if the old community isn't on board. !football@lemmy.world recently moved to !Football@lemm.ee , but the mods made sure to ping everyone to inform them of the change.
Not allowing members to take over the former community seems power tripping.
Except the 196 community is being squatted on with a permanent redirect to here. I can respect not wanting to mod on a specific instance, but forcing everyone to move (over stepping down as mod and setting up shop somewhere else), especially out of the blue without consulting with the community, feels pretty shitty. The mods personally might not enjoy the instance's moderation policy, but I think large parts of the community do! At least leave the space for the people who don't want to migrate
Then they can literally make their own Community in minutes. This is the strength of the Fediverse!
Moss and the Mod-Team are the ones to call this shot and they did.
It's their shot to call to move themselves. Telling everyone else to move feels shitty. I imagine a lot of people will prefer to stay on blahaj, so we'll likely have to create a c/197 or something. It would've been so much easier to just hand over the reigns to someone else, put up a post with "hey, the core mod team is moving, you can find us over here", and let community members decide which one, or both, communities they feel better about participating in. From the reactions on the blahaj post, not many community members agree with this move.
It is also their shot to move the Commnity.
If there are so many people angry about this, a new community will soon emerge. The only thing "lost" if people over at blahaj.zone create 197 would be the number of subscribers. And when so many people are so upset about the change, you could assume they would willingly flock to this new community. Like People did with !risa@startrek.website and !tenforward@lemmy.world.
But if this doesn’t happen, it would mean that people are not angry enough to make such a move or just don't care enough about a change like that. For example, I don't really care at all. I was already subscribed here and didn't even notice anything at first. But if they had moved to lemmy.ml (for example), I would have cared enough not to follow and maybe even start my own 196.
You spot the difference between that comparison and the current case tho, right? Both Startrek communities are still unlocked and flourishing. By all means, make a new 196 on .world if you prefer it. But don't lock the old one for people who can't, or don't want to, move. That's just petty.
!risa@startrek.website has 33 Users per day.
!tenforward@lemmy.world has 1.57K Users per day.
Both have posts recently. And anyone can go on either community and post or comment something right now. Is size the most important metric? Reddit has millions of active users
It seems so. Because that would be the only real difference to a completely new community or did I miss something?
Very quick question: does a community belong to its mods or its members?
This is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect the opinions of Moss or any other person on the mod team, or even anyone else in general:
I believe the community on Lemmy, "the page" if you like, belongs to the admin/founder of the community.
The community, "the people," belong to themselves. We are no livestock, after all.
So while I say the admin of "the page" can do with their page as they like (assuming there are no other rules in place forbidding them from doing so, either at the community or instance level), I believe that it's everyone's own choice to come, go, leave, or stay.
I, for one, would not have followed 196 to lemmy.ml, for example (I know this would never happen, but lemmy.ml is the only non-defederated instance I don't like). And if people don't want to follow 196 to .world, it's their choice. But it's the admin's choice to move "the page" there.
Preventing people from using the previous community seems overreacting.
They could just have moved to LW and kept the Blahaj version open.
Perhaps. We will all know more once Moss gets back to my message :)
And I would postpone until then :D
Okay then. Moss+team didn't create 196 on LBZ. Someone else did, then abandoned it. Ada gave them mod so the community could be reactivated. Now that they don't want to moderate 196 on LBZ anymore, would it not be justified for someone else to take over, instead of locking it down? So far, I haven't seen a single argument in favor of the lock down. Lei the people who want to leave, leave, end everyone else stay. Or both. That's the beauty of the fediverse.
Startrek.website is known for power tripping, which is why the new community was created: https://lemmy.world/post/10461985
Yes, and because they were unhappy with how the moderation was handled, they left and made their own community. Which is always a possibility. This is exactly my point! :D
But this is a different situation.
In Star Trek, members were unhappy with the moderation and created their own community.
For 196, the members are happy with the community, the mods want to change instances for "reasons". They could leave the old community open and let the admin organize the follow up, but instead they lock it down, preventing any of the happy members to take over.
And as far as I know, the mod team was unhappy how blahaj.zone was moderrated and moved their community.
Creating a new community isn't necessary. Admin could transfer control of the existing one to a new mod team if the current one can't be arsed running it.
Since I just realised that I became a Mod here (when did this even happend? Is there no notification or something?)
I can ask. But it's still their choice. Maybe they want to move as much members as possible, maybe they want to keep it as some sort of archive. Maybe this was part of the Deal with Ada? I don't know. The only thing I can offer you is to ask. Would that be okay?
Yeah, I suspect you're right and that the intent is to bring as much of the existing userbase across as possible, but it'd be nice to know what's going on. It's entirely possible they did reach out to people privately and nobody wanted to moderate 196@LBZ, but I doubt it.
Whatever the case may be, I would appreciate it if you could get an answer as to why that was the course of action chosen.
No Problem! :D Now that I figured out that I'm also Part of the Team I feel a bit more confidend to ask :P
I just send a Message and will Post here as soon as I know more :D
Keep us posted, genuinely curious what their answer if's going to be 😄
As soon as I get an answer, I'll let you know :D As I said, I feel a heads-up with "why, what, and how" before the move would have spared us all some trouble, but now it is what it is, and I will try to provide some answers.
I'm really not sure the majority of members of the community agree with that statement, but let's see!
Hey! I don't got a "personal" Answer, but there was an Update Post.
(I just saw you there but felt the need to "honor" our agreement)
https://lemmy.world/post/24479762
Thank you. Really. A lot of folks do seem pretty miffed at the general lack of communication on this topic.
Hey! There was an Update. Not to my Message but to the Situation in general.
https://lemmy.world/post/24479762
If there is anything else let me know. I just want this drama to be over q_q
Yeah, ik. Thanks.
I don't get why people are so angry. I was subscribed to 196 for the Vibes and The memes not because it is on a specific instance. .__.
A lot of people were happy with Blahaj being very protective of queer people.
If it was working well, why break it?
Blahaj is still there, though; it's just the community that's moving.
I only know what was written in the post—something about the "jurisdiction" of community mods/admins and instance admins and how hard to punish people.
Other than that? I don't know either.