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"The whole point of having negro sports leagues is because it's unfair to have them compete against whites. Trying to impose fairness with something designed to be unfair is folly."
Followed by:
"There's no rule saying that negroes can't play in the National League."
That's not even close to similar since race has no significant bearing on physical capabilities as is easily proven by the Olympics results even when black people were still being excluded in North America.
The top female athletes get absolutely wrecked at strength based sports by even mediocre male athletes. Just go look up the Williams sisters vs Braasch (tennis)
Anyone who keeps claiming that trans athletes have zero benefit are lying to themselves. There are some who have no benefit, especially if they transitioned pre-puberty, but it's clear as day biologically that they were literally doping for a decade of their development if they transitioned later.
Can you show the results where cis women and trans women have competed where it is "easily proven" that they always have an advantage?
Do you really think Britney Griner has a disadvantage over all trans women?
Why does every trans athlete have to be better than Britney Griner for it to be unfair?
That's an unreasonable stance.
Women's sports leagues exist to eliminate men from competing where it would be unfair. Letting in anyone who surpasses ANY woman in that league simply because they were doping with Testosterone as a teenager breaks the entire spirit of why that league exists.
There was an example of a high school wrestler who was transitioning to male that was forced (he wanted to wrestle in the boys category) to compete against girls and went 52-0 that season.
I have no problem with Trans athletes competing in open or men's leagues, but there hasn't been a single trans man that has ever participated in the Olympics because without the benefit of natural testosterone during development they simply can't compete at that level. There was one trans man who almost made the Olympics (he got to the trials leading up to the Olympics) but he didn't succeed in making it there.
No matter how much we want to be inclusive, and I'm all for being inclusive as much as possible, if we've intentionally created a lower category for competition then it should only include the people who actually belong in that category.
We should just rename the categories from Mens and Womens to be "Over X Testosterone from ages 10-20" and "Under X Testosterone from ages 10-20" because that's what they were really meant to represent.
You said it is easily proven that they always have an advantage and you are basing it on one single high school wrestler.
That is not even close to being easily proven.
I did not use the word always in any of my comments on this thread.
If it isn't always, then there isn't an unfair advantage any more than being excessively tall is an unfair advantage in basketball.
That's not how fairness works.
If one man shows up to every woman's weight lifting competition and wins every time and at the same time three other men show up and place last every time, the situation is still unfair to women because someone still had an unfair advantage.